What it means to be normal
I think when dudes say just be yourself or normal, I think it means that you interact with girls in a way that this is just the way life is with me, it is my lifestyle. Specifically, I am refering to sexual stuff whether it is an escalation or just going for the fuck. This is what flirting is and when it comes down to it, flirting and vagina are the only thing a girl can give you that you cannot provide for yourself and vice versa(with the word penis in place of vagina). When girls test a guy it is a physical and sexual thing they are feeling in their body. I think it is because the strength of your sexuality and are checking for any lack of authenticity, if it is an act, sorta speak, because I believe girls are attracted to the solidity of a guy not the lack of it. Girls have tested me in several ways, as I am certain they have all of you, and it feels to me like the main pattern of their tests are their attempt to make you collapse under the weight of what you are projecting to them because it feels heavy to them and that is what is causing the stirring in their physical and sexual body. If you can maintain the frame as normal and show no cracks in your mood because it is normal then you pass and if you cannot, well, bust out the hand lotion. Not making a big deal out of things or getting all defensive or trying harder to make sure they get it that you are not trying when someone challenges them is what makes it normal because it is just who you are. I know I have committed the fuck up of saying or doing something when the girl communicates uncertainty to me and I immediately stop because she did not give me the signal I wanted. When I stopped I communicated that this is something outside of my reality and because she did not communicate to me that it was okay I felt insecure and I stopped. I have also done the one where I get combative with the girl and try to make her feel dumb or teach her a lesson or pretend I do not give a shit and I am making sure she knows I do not give a shit. It is not about her accepting it in any way. The only reason the girl gives me that uncertainty is because she wants to see that it is normal to me and she can draw her energy from me and get lost in the experience of who I am and the experience she is getting pulled in to thru me.
I am curious how you guys have maintained your normalcy, how you are just being yourself and not gaming when you are talking with girls, and some real life examples of when girls questioned what you were doing and how you were just chill and the girl just accepted it and fell into it.
I am bringing this topic up because of a recent encounter I had with a girl where I walked up and introduced myself and she turned her head then looked me up and down then she straight up told me,
HB: (facing sideways) "Sorry, you are not my type"
*In my head I am like wtf I cannot believe she was that blunt*
Story: Maybe not, but I am the exception
HB:(still not facing me) Nope, bye
Story: (facing her) You can quit playing games
HB: *Walks away* (she ended up not looking at me the whole time)
I felt like going after her, but I really felt myself trying way too hard so I was like fuck it let her go.
I do not care that I did not get the girl. The only reason I am asking is because I feel there is a lesson I can learn here about being less over the top and more normal with my approach. It feels to me like I was being too aggressive trying to be dominant and I made the frame about being dominant and set the frame that I am being cartoonish to get a girl that is outside of my reality.
You guys ever encounter anything like this, how did you respond and keep it normal without getting over the top in an attempt to show you are dominant like I tried?
What do you guys say when a girl tells you that you are not her type?
Personally, I try to be as far from "normal" as possible. Why would you want to be normal? every other guy out there is normal!
I'm not positive where your coming from, but I think I understand what your trying to voice. You feel like the stuff your saying and doing feels to "gamey". This is very common. You need to adopt this new lifestyle, it will feel more natural with practice.
The ecounter you had didn't need to be more normal. Normal guys get shit tests like that all the time, and they fail. Your approach needed more power, strong body language and rock solid eye contact. You could have handled the situation in many ways, as long as you held your frame. Personally I would have laughed, and said something that I FOUND to be funny, like " oh shit I guess I'm gonna die alone now" or " damn your friendly!".
Thanx for the input, much appreciated
What I mean by normal is being a guy who picking up girls is a normal part of his reality and whose composure is unaffected by the pickup good or bad because it is normal to him to pick girls up. I did another approach yesterday and it feels to me that when I felt like I am trying too hard and feel gamey it is because the girl is in screening mode rather than qualifying herself mode, which if I am trying too hard and qualifying myself in any way like when I said I am the exception, which I honestly do not think it was a bad line, my subcom is off. I should not be interacting in any way that flatters her when she is screening. Which, like you implied Meow, means I need to hold my frame more and not play into her's. Not when she is in screening mode, at least.
Its the mindset bro. You must assume at all times that you have countless chicks out there begging to fuck you, and all the time in the world to get it done. This will help a fuck ton.
On the otherhand you will have failures, some girls will think your creepy as fuck...laugh it off.
don't worry about her screening you. it's not something you invest in, as long as your talking from personal expression you will pass all her tests.
Where exactly on the "spectrum" do you see your subcoms/level of pesronal expression, Story?
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I see my subcom/level of expression for the most part on qualifying her and true to myself/indifferent to outcome for the most part, but in the example I gave I obviously took a dive into being attached to the pickup needing to be a certain way and when it did not and her test threw me off I ended up losing my frame.
Really, what I think is happening here, which is usually what stifles my game, is that I lost my sense of domain over myself. I feel like when I do not automatically know how to express myself I go into my head and start basing my reality externally. I ask myself the question, what do I want to do with this right now? If I do not have an answer, I get stifled and lose my control. When I get in that headspace I feel like I have to pause and take a step back to find and reenter my center. Especially if a girl is testing me or giving me resistance, I feel like I need to say or do something to keep the frame exactly how I want it. Losing my center and sense how I want to express myself is one of my biggest fears in game because I feel like I cannot be the way I want and the way I usually deal with it is I throw away the set or just say whatever pops into my head, but it usually carries that emptiness and sense of pain in it and need to overcome it instead of just feeling good.
Appreciate all the advice, Meow
Are you Mehow and just pretending you are some guy Meow instead? I am onto you Mehow, you cannot fool me.
Nah, I am just joking
When you said treat it like I have all the time in the world that really impacted me.
I agree, quit worrying about her screening me this is about me not her. She is in my frame so I can not fail her tests if she is in my frame. I can only fail them if I am trying to appease her's.
Thank you for the advice, much appreciated
I see my subcom/level of expression for the most part on qualifying her and true to myself/indifferent to outcome for the most part, but in the example I gave I obviously took a dive into being attached to the pickup needing to be a certain way and when it did not and her test threw me off I ended up losing my frame.Really, what I think is happening here, which is usually what stifles my game, is that I lost my sense of domain over myself. I feel like when I do not automatically know how to express myself I go into my head and start basing my reality externally. I ask myself the question, what do I want to do with this right now? If I do not have an answer, I get stifled and lose my control. When I get in that headspace I feel like I have to pause and take a step back to find and reenter my center. Especially if a girl is testing me or giving me resistance, I feel like I need to say or do something to keep the frame exactly how I want it. Losing my center and sense how I want to express myself is one of my biggest fears in game because I feel like I cannot be the way I want and the way I usually deal with it is I throw away the set or just say whatever pops into my head, but it usually carries that emptiness and sense of pain in it and need to overcome it instead of just feeling good.
When your mind goes blank just start asking questions or be jsut be random..steer the conversation. You are the social context, you can't go wrong when you have all the power.
I have been noticing a lot lately that I can get away with some pretty fucked up shit. Like MW always says don't be apologetic. I'm gonna surf my phone for some text examples.
ME: Everyone here is retarded
HER: You must fit in just fine :)
ME: Thanks you'd fit in if they were all whores
HER: hahahaha fantastic
ME: :)
HER: Bring me next time
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ME: You wanna wrestle?
HER: No haha
ME: Your lame as fuck
HER: Fuck you
ME: Nope, fuck you
HER: Yeah you'd like that :)
ME: Yup
HER: :)
These are two examples of me, being a fucking werido and still holding my shit together.
HOLY SHIT THIS ME AND HER EDITOR IS DOPE
So basically.. you're a 0 on the expression scale. You're not even aware of what I'm referring to.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Yeah. That was the first thing that popped into my head.
I could see this from the last 4-5 posts ive seen of yours story. Your stuck in some world that I choose to not exist in most of the time
We've sufficiently gamed him Buddha. We should ask him for naked pics now
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
It is worse than I initially suspected,
EEK! :-x
Now dudes, this fucking shit turd overanalysis you see me spitting out on this thread is where my head goes into when I get stifled. Advice received though just do not even spend time there
It is a waste of fucking time.
Boom.
And btw- That post was the closest thing to expression I've seen you write : )
Manwhore, what is this shit!?
you cannot say I have no idea what you're referring to and then leave me hanging and not tell me what you're referring to, bro!
What do you mean? and what am I doing?
Thanx buddha, you all set me straight by shooshing out my overanalysis.
My posts are definitely going to take on a different tint from here on out.
Good Parable you posted by the way I fucking love that parable shit.
haha sall good homy
You're a good dude, i can tell
The sweet irony of this post is that what is going on with me in here is completely ABNORMAL.
HoHoHoHo....
Ahhhh, I crack myself up :D
Story wrote:
I see my subcom/level of expression for the most part on qualifying her and true to myself/indifferent to outcome for the most part, but in the example I gave I obviously took a dive into being attached to the pickup needing to be a certain way and when it did not and her test threw me off I ended up losing my frame.Really, what I think is happening here, which is usually what stifles my game, is that I lost my sense of domain over myself. I feel like when I do not automatically know how to express myself I go into my head and start basing my reality externally. I ask myself the question, what do I want to do with this right now? If I do not have an answer, I get stifled and lose my control. When I get in that headspace I feel like I have to pause and take a step back to find and reenter my center. Especially if a girl is testing me or giving me resistance, I feel like I need to say or do something to keep the frame exactly how I want it. Losing my center and sense how I want to express myself is one of my biggest fears in game because I feel like I cannot be the way I want and the way I usually deal with it is I throw away the set or just say whatever pops into my head, but it usually carries that emptiness and sense of pain in it and need to overcome it instead of just feeling good.
When your mind goes blank just start asking questions or be jsut be random..steer the conversation. You are the social context, you can't go wrong when you have all the power.
I have been noticing a lot lately that I can get away with some pretty fucked up shit. Like MW always says don't be apologetic. I'm gonna surf my phone for some text examples.
ME: Everyone here is retarded
HER: You must fit in just fine :)
ME: Thanks you'd fit in if they were all whores
HER: hahahaha fantastic
ME: :)
HER: Bring me next time
---------------------------------------------------------------------
ME: You wanna wrestle?
HER: No haha
ME: Your lame as fuck
HER: Fuck you
ME: Nope, fuck you
HER: Yeah you'd like that :)
ME: Yup
HER: :)
These are two examples of me, being a fucking werido and still holding my shit together.
HOLY SHIT THIS ME AND HER EDITOR IS DOPE
Yeah, bro
DGAF!
It drives me crazy when guys say stuff like "Be solid." "Be Grounded and centered" or "Be normal" But they don't fuckin explain some technical shit about how to do it!
Story, one thing that was huge for me... Listen to the pitch and tonality of his voice in Meow's vid when he's making a comparison between being "solid" and "wishy washy." It's almost all in his voice. Watch MW's videos, paying special attention to how HE speaks. Listen to any naturals you can find.
They all have one thing in common!
Even or Decending tonality. As opposed to ascending tonality. Think of the guys at the gas station begging. (hate these guys). How do they speak? It sounds needy doesn't it? Why?
They ask, "Excuse me. Do you have ANY CHANGE?" Sound exactly like his "wishy-washy" speach doesn't it?
Sorry, this is a bit hard to describe without drawing a picture. But the syllables in red are the highest pitch in your tonality and it decends or stays even toward the end of your sentences. Think of it like this:
Ascending pitch: NEEDY
Even Pitch: NON-NEEDY
Descending pitch: PUSHING AWAY
Every time you are speaking to a woman, you should NEVER cross that even pitch threshhold into ascending pitch. But you don't want to use descending all the time. That makes you sound like an asshole. Just pepper it in and keep it mainly even. Listen to chodes and you hear them almost never straying from ascending pitch.
Here's an example:
What's your name?
What's your name?
What's your name?
Say those out loud emphasizing the words in red. You can sense and feel a difference in your physiology (at least I do) when you say these same exact words with different tonality. This was HUGE for me. Probably one of the best things I can share with you. Spend a whole week just focusing on that and you'll see improvement on how women react to you.
I just sound a combination of accusatory and lazy when I talk
It drives me crazy when guys say stuff like "Be solid." "Be Grounded and centered" or "Be normal" But they don't fuckin explain some technical shit about how to do it!Story, one thing that was huge for me... Listen to the pitch and tonality of his voice in Meow's vid when he's making a comparison between being "solid" and "wishy washy." It's almost all in his voice. Watch MW's videos, paying special attention to how HE speaks. Listen to any naturals you can find.
They all have one thing in common!
Even or Decending tonality. As opposed to ascending tonality. Think of the guys at the gas station begging. (hate these guys). How do they speak? It sounds needy doesn't it? Why?
They ask, "Excuse me. Do you have ANY CHANGE?" Sound exactly like his "wishy-washy" speach doesn't it?
Sorry, this is a bit hard to describe without drawing a picture. But the syllables in red are the highest pitch in your tonality and it decends or stays even toward the end of your sentences. Think of it like this:
Ascending pitch: NEEDY
Even Pitch: NON-NEEDY
Descending pitch: PUSHING AWAY
Every time you are speaking to a woman, you should NEVER cross that even pitch threshhold into ascending pitch. But you don't want to use descending all the time. That makes you sound like an asshole. Just pepper it in and keep it mainly even. Listen to chodes and you hear them almost never straying from ascending pitch.
Here's an example:
What's your name?
What's your name?
What's your name?
Say those out loud emphasizing the words in red. You can sense and feel a difference in your physiology (at least I do) when you say these same exact words with different tonality. This was HUGE for me. Probably one of the best things I can share with you. Spend a whole week just focusing on that and you'll see improvement on how women react to you.
Down talk vs. uptalk. Yup. Good post. And you're right about it translating to your body and emotions, too. Sound more confident and you'll feel more confident, too.
It drives me crazy when guys say stuff like "Be solid." "Be Grounded and centered" or "Be normal" But they don't fuckin explain some technical shit about how to do it!Story, one thing that was huge for me... Listen to the pitch and tonality of his voice in Meow's vid when he's making a comparison between being "solid" and "wishy washy." It's almost all in his voice. Watch MW's videos, paying special attention to how HE speaks. Listen to any naturals you can find.
They all have one thing in common!
Even or Decending tonality. As opposed to ascending tonality. Think of the guys at the gas station begging. (hate these guys). How do they speak? It sounds needy doesn't it? Why?
They ask, "Excuse me. Do you have ANY CHANGE?" Sound exactly like his "wishy-washy" speach doesn't it?
Sorry, this is a bit hard to describe without drawing a picture. But the syllables in red are the highest pitch in your tonality and it decends or stays even toward the end of your sentences. Think of it like this:
Ascending pitch: NEEDY
Even Pitch: NON-NEEDY
Descending pitch: PUSHING AWAY
Every time you are speaking to a woman, you should NEVER cross that even pitch threshhold into ascending pitch. But you don't want to use descending all the time. That makes you sound like an asshole. Just pepper it in and keep it mainly even. Listen to chodes and you hear them almost never straying from ascending pitch.
Here's an example:
What's your name?
What's your name?
What's your name?
Say those out loud emphasizing the words in red. You can sense and feel a difference in your physiology (at least I do) when you say these same exact words with different tonality. This was HUGE for me. Probably one of the best things I can share with you. Spend a whole week just focusing on that and you'll see improvement on how women react to you.
Awesome post.
Story, this can be tied back to self expression as well. With a strong and rich tone in your voice you can really up your sexual content in your verbals. You can say some pretty dirty stuff, your voice just has to stay fixed when your saying it, you have to own what your saying.
For example, last night I was with my two buddies and two chicks. These two girls were for my buddies, I really wasn't interested. I noticed that their game was lacking sexuality completely, these girls were fucking bored. Out of nowhere I just say " Ladies... So when are you going to jerk these two fine gentleman off". I said this casual as fuck, as If I was asking how their day was going. Everyone loses it, I made some weird/creepy comment work simply because my tonality expressed that I did not give a single fuck , yes I did say that , and i'm not sorry. This actually set the bar for the interaction, and my friends ended up hooking up with the chicks.
Wait what? That's some shit I would say. Gawdammit.
For example, last night I was with my two buddies and two chicks. These two girls were for my buddies, I really wasn't interested. I noticed that their game was lacking sexuality completely, these girls were fucking bored. Out of nowhere I just say " Ladies... So when are you going to jerk these two fine gentleman off". I said this casual as fuck, as If I was asking how their day was going. Everyone loses it, I made some weird/creepy comment work simply because my tonality expressed that I did not give a single fuck , yes I did say that , and i'm not sorry. This actually set the bar for the interaction, and my friends ended up hooking up with the chicks.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
You can make all kinds of things go down that way hehe
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Ok yeah read the rest of the post.. the community is stuck on the br/nr/tr "trifecta" right now, and they're ignoring the other 65% of the vocal equation. But there's a few guys on here who've gone through my vocal training that know the real deal ;b
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
You can make all kinds of things go down that way hehe
Yes, the best part is that these girls CLEARLY wanted to fuck me the most. They were so compliant they had no problem hooking up with my buddies simply because I told them they should. hahaha
After forgetting about this thread and doing some more approaching I had a very Zanesque revelation and this all it became obvious. All being normal means is understanding that I am in rapport with all these bitches no need to try regardless of how the interaction goes I can be chill about it and be however because I am in rapport with her, and all women, from the start and not some fucking guy who needs to control bitches or his self-image because that is fucking retarded. This shit is chill just let it out mother fuckerz.
Manwhore,
That a girl you fucked on yer sig?
yup...you must realize that once you become the game you cant fail
I'm at a point in my game where I know I can straighten out almost any interaction that goes off course. You can plow through any shit as long as you have the balls to not call it quits
you get blown out only when you know you surendered to it