What other "pickup" training out there (live or at home) have you guys been looking at?

I've been to Julien's free tour and hotseat once. Was cool and eye opening. I watched some videos by Brent Smith and was impressed... this video in particular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PORhDvqXVrU

When I had one itis over some girl I also looked into Kezia Noble's stuff, sent her team an email and then they called me trying to get me into their coaching. Luckily I called their bullshit and recognised they don't have a clue what they're talking about. Not to mention their prices are insane.

Hotseats/infeild type training. 

Haven't really learned anything conceptually new, but I can always digg deeper in my energy and emotions. 

Has been always a potent form of learning for me since I always loved to model people and loved looking at others rythem and flow. 

If you had a hotseat I would 100% attend it. 

It seems like it's the new thing. That german guy from simple pick up is doing it, that invisible game guy does it, a couple others, love systems is getting into it. It's overall a high quality high consistancy high potency product. Also, what you don't use becomes great promotional scraps. 

I would never do skype training. Feel like there's always a video on whatever problem I have. 

I would never do a 2000 bootcamp but I would do 1-on-1 live training for a couple hundred and/or barder some of other services. If I did do it I would  consider you first. Wasn't feeling squatting cassinova for some reason. There's this Jason Capitol guy who def has great sub coms but I dunno of he has a lot of heavy cold approach experience and coaching experience. 

Also like services that break down videos of myself. 

RSD hotseats are always great, as are their online products, 10game, hotseat home, max's natural. I think the RSD transformational hotseat is great for a one time thing from Tyler, but I wouldn't do it again , and Jeffy Tyler don't quite have the same omf as tyler. 

Actually,Brian Burkes materials have great reviews and caught my curiosity and from what I've read,he's doing both skype and infield.

Live coaching just seems impractical because it's very challenging to make any difference in game that's $2k worthy in just 3 days.

I would do 4 week natural and Todd's immersion if I had the money/time.

Brian's a great coach. He channels different capabilities in a guy than I do, but he's legit, and a genuinely good coach. He's a former roommate of mine we used to have a podcast together as well

From what I've heard of Alex's 4 week natural he's having the same issues he's always had. Can't explain SHIT! Hahaha 

Closing if you had the money/time you'd better finish your training with me honky you only did a month lol 

Lol yeah of course

I truly raised the bar when I developed my training program, nothing else can be said for it. I think now a couple guys are starting to catch up, I'm seeing Todd and a couple others put guys through actual drills. If you think you can watch a video and somehow shift your behavior more than a lil notch here 'n there you're deluding yourself. But that's okay because everyone's deluding themselves in some way ;) 

Squatting is a "game denialist", and a newb. But he's got enough real world experience at this point to probably be a decent coach. What'd you mean by "Jeffy Tyler don't quite have the same omf as tyler." ?

Lol leadscout that's the only video from Brent I've ever watched actually but yeah pretty good. He's apparently in the same boat as I am.. old as fuck in the game and no YouTube following. Lol!

The only thing I remember about Brent, and I'm sure this has changed, is when he did "interviews with dating gurus" with David D'angelo back in the day he was telling dudes he would watch the same movie over and over again on his dates so he could quote the movie before the actor said it to impress the girl. That did not appeal to me, ha!!

Used to do sports, dance, and lots of improv/acting, so very aware of the potentsy of drills. When you're not in your head,  either the emotions/behaviors is in you or it isn't. When I saw you put drills in your program I was like 'this guy gets it'. 

In his last product Julien said that if you want to engrain a habit write in on your hand to remind yourself infeild until you engrain it. I was thinking there's a way better way, just drill it until you can't not do it. 

I'm down to share the drlls I've developed although I doubt they'll be of value to you compared to the stuff you developed. 

I think Todd's drills in Daygame were decent. Max mentioned his Natural will have some drills. 

Jason Capital has drills in his products. Unfortunately he's a social circle guy not a cold approach guy. His subcomms are better than a lot of cold approach guru's, but I doubt he could pull of the shit you describe in your articles. 

Hmm I always felt squatting was lacking some sort of depth, but I'm not too advanced in game to make an accurate judgement call. I used to tutor alot, and so I can give a more accurate judgement call that he's not the best coach regardless of game level. I saw on video whenever his student makes a mistake he critisizes him in a way that puts him in a defensive headspace 'why did you do that, it's stupid'. If he's in a defensive headspace it'll cut down on the amount he'll absorb. Better frames of teaching are pointing out new behaviors or blind spots. May not matter to certain people, but with that particular student you could see his energy close off. 

 "Jeffy Tyler don't quite have the same omf as tyler." ?

ah what I meant was Jeffy and Julien don't have the some omph as Tyler. I don't see Jeffy or Julien doing the 'transformational' part of the transformational hotseat anywhere as good as Tyler. Jeffy actually hated it when he first saw Tyler do it lol.

I also think they should revamp their interactive exercises, it's mostly the same shit you can find in any intro improv class. There are better/more advanced versions to most of them. 

I used to love talking shit to Julien while he was debriefing during bootcamp end of the night. It was hilarious how bad he sucked, ha! I'd write texts to him and Tyler about how many dicks he was blowing simultaneously and how could he keep them all straight. Of course it was Julien so we could do that as we already knew that nigga was the second coming of the anti-christ. Julien was definitely "BIW" at one point, maybe still is. So was Alex until he let his ego get in the way of his progress. 

Jason Capital? Fucking fraud as far as I know. Came out of nowhere has no coaching or pu background, never was evaluated or worked for a big company. He takes a 5 minute scene from Casino Royale and makes a fucking product out of it? Holy shit that's awful. And he's apparently made millions in our industry. He's the epitome of the marketing sleazebag. If someone's got something good to say about him I'd really like to know about it. '

And yeah Jeffy doesn't give a shit about things like hot seat.

What kind of dance did you do? I've been taking hip hop the last year and a half. Love it. Go ahead and send me your drills I need a good laugh. ;) 

What's BIW? best in world? 

I saw his bootcamp infeild and breakdowns in 10game. I'm not an expert but it seemed to be it was a bit too self-help. 

Swing salsa and hip hop. Hip hop did the most for mind-body connection, along with a movement for actors class. Much higher awarenes and control of my emotions and expressions.  

I'll send you a pm with the drilla haha

Heard Brent is pretty much a con artist. In my interaction with him and of people who have gotten to know him he's full of shit. And maybe he had game back in the day but I've heard he was pretty needy despite him talking otherwise. We all have shitty moments in life so maybe this is what I heard about but my vibe of him is he's just got a lot of issues and isn't real even w the people closest to him, he Fucks them over.

I studied Brent Smith's stuff for almost 10 years and did not get even a little bit better with women. I bought nearly all his products, took 12 hours of one on one phone coaching and even did a live bootcamp with him. The entire time I thought I was at fault when it was really just terrible advice holding me back.

DeChee, why not share the drills here so everyone can see them?

I'd actually add Todd in there at this point. Dude has come so far in the last two years. Still not a leader type (which is most important masculine quality a man should develop in himself), but the dude has pointed out and solidified quite a few top notch "game" concepts. 

eh, my drills aren't that amazing, but it might provide manwhere with %0.1 value since drills are his thing so i'll pm them to him eventually. 

I had a buddy take a Todd bootcamp and was pretty underwhelmed. He isn't a hardcase newbie if that's what you're thinking, pretty diligent/intelligent about his game training. I have another buddy who is going to do his stockholm immersion, curious about what he says. 

I'm wondering why Tyler isn't up there. Maybe because he always late and has his assistants run a lot of his bootcamp these days haha.  

not too surprised Jason Capitol is rich. the clients who tranditionally buy PUA products are doing really well financially. That's why rents in major cities are going through the roof. Wondering if same will happen with PUA training. Cash in Manwhore.

I've always liked the sound of DJ Fuji's/Psych's long term training program. Seems to be drills based and they listen to infield audio that you record to find sticking points. What are your thoughts on that?

In theory it sounds great. And if guys want to send me video and/or audio I take a look/listen too. But I wouldn't train with them. I mean.. it depends on what your goals are. If you're looking to just be more social, Psych is solid, but he's not a "closer". And if you want to be an asian stereotype with awful subcoms and limiting beliefs then sure train with Fuji. 

lol that's what I thought when I saw him. His subcomms suck

Im impressed by Luke's social circle game stuff. 

Normally most social circle game products are way too esoteric..

I remember Distant Light posting on RSDnation, and I kept thinking that it was cool what he was doing, but way too esotericy.. Luke seems to break it down much better how exactly he builds his social circles... 

Max also impresses me, his Hotseat helped me a TON.  When I took it he def was the most new instructor but he was able to explain and demonstrate concepts in an understandable and easy to implement manner.  He was kind of a mix of all the rsd instructors, but was able to explain everything that he did extremely well.   Simple is the word I'd use, which is perfect.

What other hotseats have you been to?

Crazy he's releasing the whole thing in The Natural. 

I talked to his team and it's going to be bigger than anything ever supposedly.  He's been working his ass off on this for almost a year, where as most RSD products are in production for 3-4 months. 

I've been to Julien's.  It's pretty good for understanding his style of game and getting insight, but didn't help that much practically.   The way he games is very different than most guys.    It helped my friend massively though since he got decent at that style of game (button pushing the girls emotions for quick lays and such).

Max is also super chill and down to earth from what I"ve seen.  Most of the RSD instructors seem to have pretty big egos lol.  And for some reason they surround themselves with some weird dudes lol.  This one guy who rolls with an instructor acts super weird every time we run into each other.   There's def an element of cult worship going on in the community which is lame as fuck.

^ That doesn't mean shit. But yes I've also been impressed with Max the last 6 mths or so. 

What instructor? I've met Tyler Julien Max and Jeffys assists, all are pretty normal chill guys. 

"Later I found EFT and learned how to release negative emotions/programs/traumatic events in my subconcious that were holding me back. This is about 1000x more effective than doing affirmations or reading a story to yourself because it addresses the root cause."

What is this, Gamer?
EFT, never heard of it.

catchingmeta4ssincebirth, EFT is Emotional Freedom Technique. It's a highly effective and efficient emotional releasing technique.

Letting go is a natural ability we all have from birth. This is why you can see two kids playing and one kid pushes the other to the ground and they start crying, then 5 minutes later you see them up running around, laughing and playing again like nothing happened. Because they let it go. Emotions are finite so they run out IF we acknowledge and feel them. If we suppress, resist or try to cover them up with distractions/addictive behaviors then they never get a chance to be released and they build up like a pressure tank. These emotions are what make us hold onto negative beliefs/programs in our subconscious based on our perception of past events.

So by aiming at the emotion (ideally with a specific memory in mind and all the little details that bother us about it) and then tapping these stress/meridian points on the body it speeds up the process of letting go. So you can clear negative memories/experiences quickly. And your whole perspective on the event changes. It's just something that happened because we no longer have the strong emotional attachment to it.

The basic process is as follows:
1. Think of a specific memory that bothers you (something you wish never happened).
2. Close your eyes, replay the memory and feel the feelings. Focus on the specific details that bother you.
3. Rate the feeling on a scale from 0 - 10. 0 you can't feel it, 10 is really strong.
4. Do a round of tapping.
5. Recheck the feeling. Rate it from 0 - 10.
6. Keep repeating the process until the intensity has reached 0. And you've cleared all the aspects (specific details about it that bother you).

Here's an in-depth manual on exactly how to apply it to clear negative emotions from past memories.
http://www.emofree.com/eft-tutorial/eft-tapping-tutorial.html

I use FasterEFT style for the tapping points since it's a more streamlined version. Here's a walk-through on how to tap.

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Since we're discussing other companies, I'm in vegas right now, apparently love systems is doing a 30 day immersion over here, which started last sunday. Fucking more PUAs in vegas. 

Summit is going to be chaos with rsd immersion and LS immersion in the mix. 

A few of the LS instructors are surprinsingly decent actually, as well as some of their students. Their immersion costs like 20k though lmao. But it's with instructors and not intern coaches. Though they focus a bit more on table game. 

Table game? LS has been running an immersion in Vegas for a few years now, and yeah it says something when you don't realize. Whereas when Rsd's in town you've got a flood of physically accosting wannabe rapists lol 

Yeah I heard they had a table at marquee on Monday, saw them having table at Drais on tuesday, though they were gaming all over the venue at not just at their table. I specifically went to those venues to avoid competing with the immersion guys lol. I'm guessing they probably coordinated with Luke so they don't end up in the same venue. 

Something felt off when I noticed much more than average PUAs but I didn't recognize any of them (I know all the RSD people), then a buddy pointed out LS is doing a immersion. Turns out it's a 10 day not 30.

I have to say the girls nearly didn't get the same amount of pickup fatigue and it looks like the guys having better reults. Even though it's apples to oranges since they're going out with the actual instructors each night, not just coach (who a lot of them seem to be intermediates to me). Table helps too. But I would never have guessed they would be doing significantly better than immersion. 

Much more than average amount of pooah's in the club? Or much better. 

I've got a few buddies that do routine-based stuff. It's just for "hard logistics" though, they can carry a conversation extremely well otherwise. But interestingly enough a lot of them have the opposite problem as the immersion guys. Back in 2007 when I first started speaking at men's conferences I remember hanging out with these guys, some of the other speakers were polished as fuck. I'd be like.. so what happened with those two girls you were talking to? And they'd be frustrated and say something like, "Oh I couldn't get compliance.." Or some bullshit frame battle they thought they were in. What boggled my mind is that I could clearly see the girls were practically in love at this point, they just didn't realize where the girl was at emotionally and what it meant sexually. They're trying to thread the needle emotionally and verbally so to speak. Rather than just use a bit of masculine prowess and assumptive conditioning to make it happen. Women respond to leadership, but somehow a lot of these routine guys are still looking for permission. But yeah most of the good ones definitely aren't "weird" or anything. Matador and I used to be buddies for instance we'd go out drinking lol

There were much more than average number of 'i'm here for the main purpose of picking up' guys at drais, since they all tend to go to omnia and Drais is left with the more natural guys. If I had to guess there were 10 LS guys. But with a lot of the guys I noticed their results were much better than the average pooah or even immersion guy, a lot of them looked pretty smooth, at least in terms of interactions and physicallity, though there were a few guys with no results which is normal since some guys have a much longer path in getting down specifics of their personality to generate attraction. Not sure if a lot of them pulled/closed though. 

I'll probably see them today too since they're I'm going to Surrender which LS loves and immersion doesn't seem to hit up on weds at much. I think weds night is (free) table night at light with Luke for immersion now. 

Seems like LS is also getting away from routines. I believe this is the program that they're in this week

https://www.lovesystems.com/collections/10-day-bootcamp/products/10-day-...

It's a 'simplified natural' approach which seems to ephasize more improvisational stuff. 

That's a pretty accurate way to describe the immersion guys. I have noticed the Immersion people are pretty good at pushing for the after party, leading, not seeking permission. 

"What boggled my mind is that I could clearly see the girls were practically in love at this point, they just didn't realize where the girl was at emotionally and what it meant sexually. They're trying to thread the needle emotionally and verbally so to speak. Rather than just use a bit of masculine prowess and assumptive conditioning to make it happen. Women respond to leadership, but somehow a lot of these routine guys are still looking for permission."

Sounds like they need to take a manwhore bootcamp haha. 

Are there any decent infields out there besides the RSD guys?