WOW... My text game is RUSTYY- Help please : )

Idk man, looked pretty solid to me. You can't expect every girl to be crazy invested this early in the conversation.

As far as reengagement: "Come blow out my N64 cartridges and we can play ;)"

Fuck, I wish you could have worked that into the last text you sent actually. Just craft something with blowing and playing lol

Shitt...! That's sucha  good call.  Just gotta combine that sexuality with the super innocent shit- it's like the ultimate way to escalate the convo. 

Context? 

Context: 

Went out last night with some friends- hit up a  few differnet approaches. 

This girl was standing off to the side a bit, went up pretty direct, "Hey thought you were cute, wanted to say hi", just hold eye contact for a moment, then escalate, spin her around a bit, bring her in close and do like a hand-clasp thingy and chat her up for maybe 2-3 minutes longer, continuing to escalate 

My buddy comes through, so I intorduce her to him. She says she has to go find friends, and I tell her that I would normally go with her to find her friends but there's a sick dj downstairs, so I was going to wait for a bit and leave, and she was free to go off and find her friends, or wait there with me.... she decided to kick it with me for a bit, which was cool. 

My buddy rolls through again, and we decide to head down to the dj at the bar downstairs, so I bounce and tell her I'll let her know what our plans are. 

I sent this text as a feeler to just get an idea of what she was up to towards closing-time..

Ya always got to realize, when it's the girl suggesting to meet up it's pretty much done you don't have to do anything you just have to arrange a time and go. 

Yeah I got into "gamey" mode a bit

Like after she sent the text bout meeting up, I purposely put up like a false barrier for her to jump through with the distance thing lol 

So the better move here woulda just to been like, "Cool, yeah- come over Thursday. You may need to blow the cartridges a lil to get em going but my N64 works perfectly. I'll kick ya but in marokart ANY day ; )"

Take out the other shit and just get to the point while keepin it playful

Yeah I suppose. Tho I would set the time/date first then bring up the whole "you're coming over to my house for a rape session". 

I'm gonna make you my Luigi* (*bitch)

Oh yeah- set date/time first. Duh

@Jack- that's pretty fucking funny

Haha 

Haha jack. 

Any bonus points for referring or hinting to rape session after the meetup is set? I mean at a certain point she knows why she's going over. Dos and donts? That tall tinder lmr girl is coming over this week to "makeout and watch workaholics." Debating whether to escalate things via text to weed out any potential lmr.

For me personally, I don't know why some guys even care about shit like this. Like, you already set it up as "makeout and workaholics". That's pretty fucking clear in a girl's mind. Don't waste your time trying to solidify over text as it will most likely dissuade her form coming or start some weird overthinking in her mind about should I sleep with this guy?

It sounds solid. Just escalate smoothly and you should be good. My best dates in the past are the ones where I have absolutely no expectations going in because I'm more present and able to see the little obstacles before they happen and overcome them. For example, if the date is going great but the conversation is getting more flirty and there's some hugging/groping going on, I will be like "Oh, lets watch a movie. Have you seen Forgetting Sarah Marshall (or whatever it is)?" Move to couch. Continue making out etc. Then move to bed room when things get more heated etc. I think it's just about knowing how to instinctively move your foot on and off the gas pedal respectively, in accordance with how the girl feels at the time.

Read that thread Jackals that Jack made, we're discussing this in there as well.

If she's coming over to make out definitely don't escalate any more via text. Don't go silent either tho, just keep up the vibe you've been giving her

Her: I didn't say you had to do that!!!

Me: Shit well I have to check and make sure the cartridges still work - what's your schedule like this week, beb : )

Her: I'm going to Denver on Friday... Thursday might work... I'll let you know tmrw

Me: Cool, sounds good.. But I got wine, N64 and a pretty devilish smile, so yeah... not entirely sure why you're goin to Denver ; b

 Is my emoticon use kinda gay? I'm not sure I'm comfortable with the way I'm using them right now.. That last text woulda been a lot better without it. Wow- Instead of the smiley face shoulda put some sexy lil nickname. Ah well

I feel you're slightly overselling. I don't use that emoticon anymore even tho I invented it. Including ; and the letter b. 

Yeah- that's the rust coming off is waht that is. I think I know exactly what you're referring to though. 

Started off with her wanting to hang, and then I essentially turned the frame around on myself- not sure if that makes sense, or if that's what you're actually referring to, but that''s one thing I noticed. Like she didn't have to do anything- I basically volunteered to switch the frame and chase. 

Such a common mistake that I've seen in so many guys' text game- fell victim to it myself right here, for sure...

I prob coulda actually thrown a lil push in there right after she said, "I didn't say you have to do that!!!" - coulda thrown it back at her in a "cuterapey" sorta way

Yeah that's exactly it. You subtly turned the frame around on yourself. What's funny is that a year ago you were helping me point that out to other guys. 

What's interesting is you're still coming off high value, so I think all of it as a whole is probably making you come off a little "playerish" in an "unseasoned arrogance" sort of way. This is just my name for the subtle emotions emanating off this to thegirl. Now this is always up to interpretation, and everybody's different and responds to things differently, but you're definitely capable of understanding what I'm getting at so I might as well not leave any point of discussion off the table. Plus we just had the teleconference call and you weren't on it. What a dick 

THIS

Clicked...

Nice 

Yeah - like why does a high-value guy chase... For the girl that's gotta send off MAD warning bells, jesus. 

Heh, yeah- I havne't really gone out much lately.... can ya tell : /

But to be fair- 1 year ago, I wasn't running my own office, and managing a bunch of cool ass employees... Shit changes, I guess 

But now that I got my bearings and the sun is out again- it's time for me to come out of my hole and play in the sandbox with the other kids..

Her: Haha hey sry I've been super busy with work. A lot of my friends are out in Denver, it's kinda like my home away from home. 

Her: Is there a day next week you could meet up for a drink or something?

Me: Yeah, I love whiskey on the rocks, so that might work

Super simple text. Not trying to over-game. Just want to accomplish a couple things here:

1. Recognize the opportunity to flip the frame back around

2. Keep it simple, don't overgame

3. Don't fully commit, but also don't make a big deal about the fact that I'm not committing- leave it open and chill

4. Don't let the lack of investment on my part come across as being but-hurt... keep it positive but remove investment in a casual way

If she doesn't respond by Sunday- prob just respond with pure value. Like a cool pic or somethin

Me: So if there's a zombie apocalypse, I'm TOTALLY not saving you

Her: Ouch, and what makes you think I would need saving???

Me: Oh it's not just you, there's a whole list of people who'll need my help

Me: But the biebster and Ryan seacrest were def. crossed off that list a longg time ago- so I actually might have room for one more

Her: Haha. As long as you're escaping to Texas, I'm down for saving

Me: Lmao what's your schedule like this week- testin out escape routes and need a bad chick to drink whiskey and eat some ice cream with

Me: But if you don't like rocky road FORGETT about it! 

Her: Haha. I don't think there's an ice cream that I don't like : ) I have a friend in town Thursday-Sunday, but he's staying with other friends, so I could probably meet up for a bit on Friday before heading out

Her: What does your schedule look liike?

The double texts were all sent within like a second of ecahother 

Thoughts on how I should approach this ? - Starting to get my wheels spinnin with the text stuff again... gettin back in the flow.

Either

Yo, Lets Chill

or 

K Friday works for me.  I love Ice cream so much that I will go and have ice cream with you.  5:00?  

Hmmm

I can't tell if you're messin with me haha

I feel like you should stay away from the gamey ness. Tell her you'll call her and iron out the details

Truu

Yeah, maybe like, "k sounds cool - I'll give ya a call laer just to figure out details"

I like the casualness of it- but I think saying that I'm going to call to finalize details adds an element of "pressure" to the meetup that doesn't necessarily need to exist and might mess with her head a bit..

Maybe just somethin like, "Cool.  Friday is solid, - Dupont work for ya?" (Dupont is where I work and is also the main center of the city)

Sidenote- my buddies biological bro is in town this weekend, so friday and saturday we're plannin on goin pretty hard in the paint

I'm thinkin this could actually work out cause if I meet up with her and chill for like an hour or somethin, either it could morph into a pre-game bangsesh, or she'll be super likely just to meet up with my whole crew when we're out... 

I think I still came across gamey as hell, which is why she's hesistant... so pulling back again is the way to go. I'm overgaming this chick still, ugh.  it's annoying to be making these mistakes again. I'm usually much quicker on the uptake 

this

the game is done. Add humour if you want but she wants to meet up

just set a time and business as usual

Just read that second post.

This girl wants to meet up with you. The humour/game is just a tool - a hammer. You are beating her with hammer. Beat her with the tool she wants :O €===8 

Lol yes sir

Me: Cool. Friday is solid - DuPont work for ya?

Her: Sure. I'm going to be down by navy yard for happy hour, but after that I'l meet up with ya

How do you guys reengage without trying for rapport? 

For example: I want to reengage simply to keep myself on her radar, as opposed to going ice-cold after the meetup is confirmed. But I don't want to go into rapport mode, but I also don't want to be super gamey about it. So what are some examples of high-value, non-gamey reengagement stuff. 

Most of what I remember about reengagement stuff is pretty gamey, and is basically ment to just snap the attention back, so you can go for a meetup again. I don't necessarily need her attention, as much as I just need to provide value so she doesn't flake.

maybe leave a voice mail.  

Text her the day of: "hope you're prepared to get drank under the table/get your ass kicked in pool/try the best margaritas in the city/etc. "

Word, yeah- I mean I typically sent something the day of similar to that

But if I sent a meetup on Monday for a Friday thing.... (hypothetical) what are some high-value, low-investment reengagement texts to sprinkle in throughout the week? 

I think this is an important thing to address. 

1. Sick pictures of yourself doin awesome shit etc.

2. Random funny remarks you overheard from someone else

Eh, I guess I kinda answered my own question

Yeah kinda answered it youself. Usually if we are pretty "friendly" over text I'll just shoot the shit RIGHT after making the meetup. Just change topic and carry on.

but sometimes the date is made without havin that friendly vibe yet and you have to calibrate tea follow up texts a bit better. 

I'm trying to avoid that "friendly convo"- i.e rapport

I'm looking to find shit that's less of a conversation, and more just pure-value.... literally just as a way to stay in her mind- I'm not tryina have any sustained conversations over text throughout the week.

There's a girl that looks just like you harassing people outside my building in a teletubbies costume

ok now she's running from the police

It's a little two-shot formula for a re engagement text I derived from a text I got from MW

the one I got from him was something like

theres a raccoon outside my window that looks just like you

Ok now its trying to get in the garbage

I like these because they're fun and easy to make up, they communicate that you're thinking of her, are interested but also just self amused and not at all gamey or chasing

theres a girl that looks just like you teasing a bunch of dogs with a sandwich at the park

ok now they've chased her up a tree

Yup- that's exactly what I was looking for, thanks.

LOL I totally do that too though- like Manwhore will text me some shit, and I will absolutely jack it, reformat it, and spit it out to some chick like a week later as my own 

Hey Potty 'member when I said I was going to put a line of coke on my dick and fuck you in the butt? 

hahaha Fucik you. 

I have worked very hard to block that text from my memory. 

I just assumed it was meant for some chick tbh and then erased it

It was almost weird how easy this was. Like I'm pretty sure she was just a really cool chick or something, cause there was zero resistence, and even from the out-set it was like there was maybe 10 minutes of uncertainty on her part, and then she was all mine. 

The coolest part about this Day2, for me, was not that it ended in a lay, but it was that after what seems like almost 6 months of being super focued on work, not really investing time in cold-approach, and going on dates, but just going about it all from a very "Chode" mentality - I swear, I think there was a part of me that just wanted to understand why so many people were chodes, like something in my head was like, "Dude why are so many people chodes, I kinda want to see what's up, it has to be really cool or something if everyone is doing it"

Turns out it's not... people just suck sometimes. 

Anyway- the coolest part about this was that ALL of my Manwhore training came back, almost instantly - it was wild, and it was second nature too. Also, I was much more sexual than I remember being back in the day.

So I got there first, and I grab a beer and just chill and chat with my roommate and his coworkers (My roommate bartends there). Eventually I head outside and sit out front. She texts me that she's in the bathroom. Eventually she comes out and I stand up, and give her a giant hug and give her a friendly kiss ont he lips (She def. wasn't expecting this but I really didn't give a fuck).

Sit back down and we get to talking, and honestlyy I don't even remember what the fuck I said- but like the first words out of her mouth were:

Her: "I'm from Austin"

Me: "I fuckin hate Austin"

Her: "Wait, are you seriuos...." 

haha so I pretty much was just fucking with her the whole time we're at the first bar. Also -this whole strip of bars is about 6-7 minute walk away from my house. So I'm fuckin with her a little, and I tell her that I was born in the actual Basin  of Big Basin, because my family are roaming gypsies and that's where they buried their gold (Credit: Manwhore for the general idea here).... Needless to say she's like laughing and hitting me and being liike, "You can't fuck with me like that" but oh yes I can..

So at this point, I figure one more drink and we'll both be good to go. 

Head out and she starts walking left, and I firmly grasp her forearm, and just jerk her back towards me. and tell her we're walking the other way (haha I actually didn't care which way we walked but as soon as she started walking one direction, I knew we were gonna go in the opposite, and she fucking LOVED the masculininity of my just grabbing her forearm and erking her over in my direciton. After that, I put her arm around me and grab her side and kinda alternate between that and no physicality at all for the duration of the walk. 

Get to the bar, and we head upstairs and I grab another beer and get her one too, because I don't really care bout that shit... I'm still just basically disaggreeing with random shit she says, telling her I hate her, and coming up with random as FUCK reasons to hate her, while simaltaneously escalating like a mother fucker- DUDE if you tell her a girl you hate her and SIMALTANEOUSLY escalate.... it's like her body is a jungle gym and you can climb allllll over it with impunity.

But no, I'm not being overly sexual despite what it sounds like. For a lot of the d2 I'm actually holding back on purpose. Like she keeps staring into my eyes in that "begging" way girls do when they want you to kiss them, but I'm holding back cause I don't wanna do that shit until we're back at my place..... fuck pda  (LOL)

At one point a dope ass song comes on- and this is a point in the date where I saw a distinct difference between how I would have reacted in the past and what I did this time. 

In the apst I wouldda just straight up started dancing - which I mean is fun as shit and if I'm just out with my boys, I'll do that every time, like fuck yeah, I absolutely love dancing by myself. It's probably one of my favorite things to do. 

Anyway- so this song came on and I kinda took that same energy and just turned it sexual, grabbed her forearm, brought her in real close and then like grabbed her hand and put it on my shoulder, while I was sitting, turned her around, grabbed her ass and had her start giving me a lap-dance

She asks if I actually have an N64- and at this point, I still have some of my drink left but I immediately put it down, chill for like 10 seconds and tell her we're leaving (LOL I actually left my card at the bar- even though I was sober)

So we get outside and we walk back to my spot, and there's this like embankment type thing, and she keeps like pushing me and tryna tickle me and shit and I grab her real softly and like "Body-slam" her into the side of the embankment, but I'm liike being super dominant about it. I have complete control of her, and she's def. not actually going to get hurt in any way- so I throw her down and she's laughing and fucking LOVING it.

So below is another moment, where I can see a distinct difference between how I would have acted and how I acted this time

We get up and she immediately grabs my dick, and is rubbing it a lil and I grab just a nice big chunk of her hair and gently pull it back and look at her and tell her I'm going to beat her ass at mariokart and make her suck my cock when she loses. (I literally would have never said that shit in the past. I actually don't even know how I said it now. I wasn't even nervous to say it- I think I was just in a very sexual state and it came naturally) but like I've always had really good "game" but it's never been this sexual or physical

Oh god, she loved that shit and she got really excited and yeah we went to my spot, she lost in mariokart and gave me great head, and then we didn't even go up to my room- we just fucked on the bed I have downstairs by the window. It was hot as fuck.

So yeahh- that was cool

Oh yeah, I counted like 6 tats on her body.... it was fucking hawt- she one like right on her thigh area, jesus christ..

LOL actually plays mariokart. What a homo

THIS IS FUCKIN TEXTBOOK.

right from the start my goodness. Mw kiss on the meetup is deadly. They are meeting you hoping that you are a cool guy who fucks them and not a flower giving nervous dweeb like 99% of their potential dates. They never expect it or react positively and that's cause they don't know if your weird or not. Then you proceed to be weird in a good I don't give a fuck this is my reality way and they rationalize the kiss as yummy and want another. Dominating her physically while being playful, forceful, telling her she's cool, she's wrong. It's all here.

in my date (tinder lmr) I started doing the exact same shit you were. Except it's not even "doing" it's just like letting this natural side of yourself flow through. Completely in the moment. I kicked that chick out without her knowing where her car was and all week she's been trying to set things up and qualifying herself to me. I just haven't been able to meetup with her yet

Pottedflowers, and everyone on this forum. THIS is your value to women when you go on a date. Guaranteed she has never or VERY rarely experiences something like this. It's like she's watching a quirky comedic James bond movie and she is Halle berry. 

Her internal thoughts are either in the moment with you or being fried. 

I think part of what I realized is that you just gotta run solid game, and all will be good. 

Like I was so concerned with not having done a proper D2 in a while, that I made sure to just like do EVERY basic thing I knew I was supposed to do. There were def. some areas where I fucked up

Like at the 2nd bar, I kinda grabbed her hair in a weird way and over-escalated and had to tone it back real quick, so there were a few moments where I over-escalated and I could sense she was slightly put off by it, but I just had to have that awareness and calibrate back. 

But it's the times when I've been on a real solid gaming run, and going on a bunch of D2's and oging out every night.... it's in those moments when I forget to do the basics, and think that I'm "above it all". 

good stuff good stuff