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I met this chick in the gym's sauna. Ohh gawd she has a perfect body. We started chatting and i arranged the instant date. We had great connection we spent around 4 hours together and she invited me to a class at gym for the next day (monday).I accepted but the next day she flaked saying she was really tired. Anyway we met on wednesday. We were gonna go to gym together but she was late so i started working out ans she came when i finished saying she had an urgent call from her mum. No big deal we went to a pub and we were like dating. She even told me if i say we are dating, then we are dating. Her tooth was hurting so i kissed her couple of times on the chick saying that is the medicine. Anyway we had a good eve and she invited me to the gym for the next day. I told her that i might be busy but i will let tou know. The next day;

Me: my mum ditched me im not going to London lol
Her: so w are hitting the gym?
Me: i would say yes but u will probably be lazy so no hahaa
Her: ok i will let u know later if u come, u know where to find me
Me: (4 hours later) babe im hitting the gym at 8.30, gonna go to a spa though. My muscles need to relax..
Her (2 hours later) i fell a sleep my cheek is very swollen, im taking medicine
Me: you must know the treatment from yesterday ;)
Her: i dont think alcohol is a good idea
Me: magic kisses baby

No response. In theory we were gonna meet today. She was looking forward to it, constantly asking me what we are gonna do... And 10 min ago she texted me;

Her: hi hkmt. I couldnt swap for today so we should cancel today's drinks (sometimes she works on morning shifts sometimes afternoon)

I think she believes she got me. Thats why she is behaving like that. I was gonna text her and ask what time she finishes and try to organise smthing else (possibly a movie night after she finishes) but although i know that she works in the afternoon today i have a gut feeling that it is just an excuse not to meet. That is why im not even gonna respond her. What do you think about it?? What should i do?
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Re: Yelena awesome body, just flaked immediate help pls
Just go with your plan no reason to psyche yourself out.
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@Manwhore:
Thanks for the advice manwhore. It has been sorted. She texted me 2-3 hours later;

"I hope you are not upset with me..."

I called her 10 min ago (at 11pm) invited her for a movie but she refused. So maybe its time to take a step back chill a bit and see how it goes. I feel I invested a lot in her...
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@hkmt:

hmm, what MW and other guys usually do when a girl flakes them is to PUNISH bad behaviour. Never reward it. Like...asking her out for a date to the cinema after she flaked the first time doesn't make you look like a strong man, but punishing her does.
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Re: Yelena awesome body, just flaked immediate help pls
So how'd the phone conversation go??
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@Manwhore:

First of all she is still in and she wasn't lying. When I called her she was still on the bus, going home. And she asked me whether I am angry or not I was like;

'Well for a bit I planned to kill you then I was like nahh I shouldn't do it she is cool so I am not angry"

We spoke a bit when I invited her for a movie night she was questioning; "Where we are gonna watch it, cinema or your place? " etc... Then basically she refused it because she is not comfortable I tried to push her a bit but no. Then I told her that "I am going out for partying" she was like stay away from trouble and don't have sex with woman" I was like "You are responsible for all trouble happening tonight. But don't worry I am not gonna have sex with anyone I told you before I never lie I never cheat" (obviously she is not my gf yet so I fuck whoever I want lol).

Overall it was okay but could have been a lot better. Because when she texted me earlier today I organised another date with another girl. However she flaked as well (literally 5 min before the meeting) so I was a bit upset and totally in my head (I will open another topic for this flake. It was harsh...). Might have given a bit of a needy vibe but she is def. attracted. I feel I made 2 mistakes;

1- I could have been slightly more aggressive for her flaking
2- I might have given a needy vibe.

What I am gonna do next; She is not working tomorrow I could try and arrange a date but I will just lean back and chill. She flaked a lot. Even if they are for valid reasons, it is not an excuse. She has to redeem herself. If she doesn't text I am not gonna text her for 2 days and observe her reactions. I bet she will be thinking of my night (thinking of my potential to get laid lol) so I am expecting to receive a text tomorrow saying " did you stay out of trouble yesterday" kinda thing. The ball is at the middle right now but I need to cut the interest a bit and show her that I don't need her as I have invested slight bit more in these days...

Also manwhore how do you motivate yourself/ manage to lift up your mood when these kind of bad things happen in a very short period of time. Like today I was really happy in the morning then this girl flaked first. Then I immediately arranged another date I was like "Yeah baby, you have been replaced" then she flaked as well. It just fucked my mood. When I went out my mood was fucked up, I was totally in my head. As a result I had a fucked up night...
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I'll respond more in-depth later but I'll say right now, two girls flaking on me would NOT put me in a bad mood. I would laugh. And that would be it

Sometimes guys need to take a break from women. Like a two day break. Lots of guys learning this stuff, they get SO absorbed with it, that it becomes their life, their emotional baseline. You need to create a separation between yourself and your results. You are not your results.

I like your idea of bait, with her wondering if you fucked some chick or not. I've actually used the exact same thing and it worked, girls hitting me up asking me "how did your night go?" pff.
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Re: Yelena awesome body, just flaked immediate help pls
@Manwhore:

I agree with manwhore, I mean, he's kinda the man... right?

But, I gotta also say... the best case scenario is that you're able to properly separate yourself from the results so you don't HAVE to take those 2 days off ; )
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@Manwhore:
I think this bitch is a retarded or she has no time management. Well after the phone convo I didn't even text her. And she texted me just 20 min ago. Look at the convo;

Her: Hey how are u doing? fancy going for a jog?
Me: That sounds like a nice plan but I can do it in 30 min.
Her: I am on my way to Kingston, so we can meet up around 10 if thats not too late for u?
Me: 10 is fince. Lets meet in front of the gym.
Her: I don't think I will get home till 10, shall we leave it for tonight? I am starting going to the gym everyday from tomo...
Her: (1 min later) if its not too late tell me and I will be there around 10.20
Me: I can do 10.20 which means I can watch another south park episode...
Her: Do you know any route for jogging? Cause to be honest I have no idea :)
Her: hkmt, lets leave it, I will see u tomorrow at the gym, and I am going for body pump class, hope you join me? Enjoy south park.. :)

WHAT THE FUCK dude. In one week this is the 4th time she organised something and cancelled. Seriously I am getting bored. Should I text something like;

" Just to let you know I am getting bored of plan cancellations..."

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@hkmt:
Me: Just to let you know I am getting bored of these plan cancellations...
Her: I know, promise this is gonna be the last time:) nice to see you pissed :)
Her: (1 min later) Anyway, it wasn't a plan, just a random suggestion so your complain is irrelevant.

I have a feeling that she is just playing with me atm. She had no intention to meet me. She texted me to see whether I am still with her. Stupid enough I accepted her offer straight after. That made her sure that I am still an easy target and played her game and cancelled the hypothetical meeting straight away. I don't really think she is serious with me. I am not gonna text her for another 2-3 days. If she invites me somewhere the answer will be NO, I am busy. Let her feel the taste of rejection...

I wrote the paragraph above and she texted me again;

Her: You don't like when I text you?

Now I believe she feels that she might start loosing me. She knows her game very well. She expects me to say "No I like when you text me but I don't like when you cancel plans" so that she will be sure that I am still the easy target but this time she is not gonna get a response... Or I can say;

'Yeah I don't like it. Lets start communicating through pigeons like medieval ages..."

Thoughts??
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@hkmt:

Don't take it to personally. She said it would be the last time and that she likes seeing you upset at her. And then after a few minutes of no reply he's fishing for your validation again... So give it to her.. In a controlled way. Focus on the "it'll be the last time" part of those texts. Fashion something that is like ok.. One last time. If not your getting in trouble. You want her working to please you.
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@hkmt:
sounds like shes seeing you as a gym buddy, just something i noticed.
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@kris:
nahh don't worry about it she was asking me whether we are dating or not and also we made out a bit she was like wauww I have never kissed on the first date before... Basically we decided to encourage us to go to gym together, work out together etc thats why she is sticking with this frame..

Anyway any advice about the last part of the texts??
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@icewahine:

ice just gave u some good advice mang.

infact i like his text: "Ok.. one last time. if not youre getting in trouble."

should do the trick to let her know you really dont appreciate that shit
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@Alex123:
Planning to text;

Ok... Last time. If not i will punish you muhahahahaaaa

Any other advices??
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@hkmt:
Me: ok... I hope it would be the last time. If u disappoint me, i will punish u muhahahaha
Her: so whats the plan kid? R we hitting the gym and going to spa or body pump??

Kid??? Wtf dude. I think its time to write her something to show that I've got the power because her attitude is getting stupid. Im planning to text;

"im busy tonight u little puppy, maybe tomorrow..." (on our date when i played with her hair she said that she feels like a little puppy. I was like "yes u are my little puppy, any objection?? She was like ok im ur little puppy...)

Or

"kid?? I guess sometimes u are forgetting who u are trxting to... Anyway im rolling to a house party tonight, maybe tomorrow..." ( might sound too reactive though??)

Or

"im busy tonight my little puppy. Work out well though i wanna see this ass getting better shaped.."

I think 3rd one is the best But im not sure whether it conveys this strength
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@hkmt:

your original doesnt convey much strength/conviction.

"I hope" should be replaced with. "It will be the last time" and the "muhahahaha" makes it sound like youre joking.

go with "Im busy tonight my little puppy. Workout well tho I wana see that ass in shape ;b"

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Actually scratch what I wrote and go with what Hand76 wrote. He's absolutely right she's looking at you like a gym buddy. That push text he wrote is exactly what she needs.
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Depending on how hard you want to push it, you could try something like

"I'm busy tonight. And don't call me kid, I don't deliver newspapers."
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@linus:

I like linus' one.

It doesn't make you look butthurt like Hand76's text, and it's kinda funny at the same time. It's got sting in the tail.
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@Gogo:

Her: What time u will be there?

I think linus' text is too much reacting and trust me thats what she is testing right now. she is still not sure whether I am a real man or a butt hurt pussy. Thats why she has changed her behaviour that much. Have been to similar situations before, I need to be smooth, yet still the buyer. I think I will go with my third text;

"im busy tonight my little puppy. Work out well though i wanna see this ass getting better shaped.."

little puppy reminds our date (I havent seen any gym buddies calling each other little puppy), I am still the buyer and it is playful. Also her second text before I respond, indicates that power has started to switch towards me. I will use my text and see how it goes.

Back in the day I had a girlfriend like this one. When we first met, once she shouted at me saying 'Who the fuck are you??", a month after she was crying in front of my door to see my face for the last time ;)
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@hkmt:
Me: Im busy tonight my little puppy. Work out well though. I wanna see that ass getting better shaped ;)
Her: Alright Mr. Boss, now I know what was your plan ;) woof woof!!

That is how you switch the power baby!!! As she accepted my last text and being nice I think its time to reward her. I am planning to text;

" Well it is my responsibility to advice my girlfriend when she gets lazy ;)"

Still I am the buyer, put the girlfriend frame and sort of playful and sarcastic...

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Naw don't throw that girlfriend line at her mate. Just meet up, escalate and get some poon. Throwing in the girlfriend line at this point will do potentially more harm than good. She likes the power plays that's hot.

Send her something like, "Yup had to crack the whip. Tomorrow works babe I'll meet you at 8."
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@Manwhore:
Ahhhh i waited 3-4 hours no one replied so i went with the gf line. Yes im an idiot!!! I will wait till 3-4pm local time and then throw a line like;

Shit has been sorted for today.Hitting the gym at 8...

And see how it goes ( i think at this point if i write i will meet u at 8, in case that she doesnt go to the gym today, it will fuck me up. If she is coming she will take it from my text anyway..
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@hkmt:
Me: today works for me. I will be hitting the gym at 8.
Her: i dont feel well today but i will be there from 7 so once you come i will be all in sweat, see u baby

Anyway we met in the gym, after working out we were chatting and she was like " lets stay friends, ive had so many men in my life recently, i dont feel it blah blah" i didnt even react, i was extremely centered "ok whatever u say, im happy". Then convo goes like;

Her: you are two years younger then me i dont know
Me: i hope u will find someone who is as awesome as me and 2 years older than me i was laughing)

Blah blahh

Her: i dont like when a man is pushy, its a massive turn off for me
Me: i dont think i was pushy though
Her: u werent i dont know why i am telling u this. Maybe i like u so much and wanna warn u in advance
Me: ok

Ten min after this convo she was melting on my arms, non stop make out etc. non- reactiveness seems to be the ultimate power. Maybe they were all shit tests and once she sees i dont give a fuck, she was turned on. At the end she was asking me in a sarcastic way

Her: so we are still not dating?
Me: im cool with everything
Her: but friends dont make out (she was laughing)

No matter what happens as manwhore said before she likes to be bossed.

Thoughts?
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So.. where's the part where she sucked your dick. Massively confused here.
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@Manwhore:
Lmfao!!! We havent come to this part yet, i dont think she is ready, do you??

Manwhore what are ur thoughts about her behaviour yeaterday; lets be friends blah blah... Shit tests or what??
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@Manwhore:
yeah, this thread has confused me for ages. It's like some modern-urban-gym equivalent of Romeo and Juliet. But... where's the titties, wheres the facials?

To be completely honestly here, I think you need to take FULL control of the situation. Shes projecting massive amounts of female BS and you're getting caught up in it. Be the stone, lead yourself here and she will follow.

I'm guessing shes gonna be awesome in the sack, cuz she sounds crazed
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@kris:
Me: cinema plan cancelled, im going to the spa today. Get ready to wear a bikini today missy
Her: ok :)
Me: join me at 8.15
Her: i feel like its too hot, im just going to the gym today
Me: if its too hot, you should come to spa and chill. Dont be shy ur body is good to wear a bikini
Her: i started today at 7.30pm so im staying in the gym otherwise i wont be able to burn 1000 calories
Me: i can help you with that. I know some exercises wich are fun and awesome for fat burning. Anyway Im in the spa now meeting some lithuanians ( she is lithuanian and she knows that ive met couple of hot lithuanians before and actually I met a super hot lithuanian in the spa today so it wasn't a joke lol)
Her: just got home, gonna take a shower and sleep, hope to see u tomorrow

I was actually expecting her to wait for me after the gym but she didn't. After I met the super hot lithuanian today I was gonna text her "For a bit I was scared that you were waiting for me, lucky me!!" but then I decided not to as although it is true, probably she will find it gamey. In fact yesterday she suggested to go to spa today and although she said ok earlier she bailed out again. Yesterday she told me about her confidence issues such as ; "i have never been like that before but i feel ugly and fat blah blahh). To be honest she has an awesome body but because of her low self esteem, she might feel insecure next to me with a bikini. However there is no excuse not to wait for me after gym. In my opinion im a gym buddy/ validation supplier when she feels shit. Obviously she behaves completely independent, so what im gonna do is ignoring her for a while again and see how it goes. Yesterday i seed some meetings for friday. Didnt really arrange it, I know that she is free on friday eve so; "We can meet up this friday for a drink. Normally I lead an organise things but because u failed numerous times on your time management, think about it and if you can make it let me know". Didn't really pushed her. So I will wait till friday afternoon and then text her about meeting but why do you think she is like that? One day she acts as my gf, then suggests to be friends, after 10 min makes out with me then bails out again the next day? Im actually getting bored of her stupid behaviour...
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@hkmt:

so much fail. You've got to start taking control dude...wtf I don't even know what to say.

You've got to fuck her mind bro - not just try and fuck her pussy.
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@HUNTER:
What do u mean by the take whole control over?? Explain me so i understand where i make the mistake
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HUNTER is totally right.

What this chick wants: she can get sex and doesn't care about it as much as you do. She's a chick plus low self esteem so what she craves is attention and validation that she's hot and you want her. She gets this through texting with dudes, stringing them along, and spending time with you in a context that doesn't imply a tender dicking is imminent.

What you want: to fuck her.

Now, who's getting what they want? You're clearly not and her girl mental hamster is super happy right now. Not a single goddamn thing about your relationship with her so far will change if her hamster has anything to say about it.

"One day she acts as my gf, then suggests to be friends, after 10 min makes out with me then bails out again the next day?"

Because this behavior gets her exactly what she wants!

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You need to change this frame. She clearly got the "friend-y" vibe right off the bat. This is where you started fucking up. Any time you meet up, or are in her presence, she's now in danger of getting fucked. I'm sure there's a bunch of good physical escalation threads around here. Watch MW's kino video.

"Ten min after this convo she was melting on my arms, non stop make out etc. non- reactiveness seems to be the ultimate power. Maybe they were all shit tests and once she sees i dont give a fuck, she was turned on."

Where were you at? THIS WAS YOUR SIGN TO GO! Go drag her somewhere and suck on her tits over her shirt. Whip out your hard dick and put her hand on it. Reach down her pants and finger her. Once she's more heated up, push her down (like in the MW kino video) and have her suck you off. You could have gotten her pretty warm mouth on your cock out of this interaction. She will shit test you heavily, because right now she's getting everything she wants from you, but this was an opportunity to blow past all of that.

In terms of texting, I'm no text game genius but you're giving her way too much attention through texting, I'd bet. This chick loves validation of a dude asking her out over and over. Again, when you text, she's getting what she wants but it's not getting you closer to what you want. Text less often, straight up. You were good about being a Boss Daddy at times (the puppy thing was great), but at other points like:

"We can meet up this friday for a drink. Normally I lead an organise things but because u failed numerous times on your time management, think about it and if you can make it let me know"

Dude, this screams "I am not awesome enough to make things happen and fuck you." Tell her when she is going to meet up with you. It is an order, not a question. She might flake, and that's fine, but you are the fucking boss. You don't ask her, you tell her to do things.
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Actually, don't text her for 4 days. Just see what happens. If she texts you (she will, because she's not being validated anymore) don't respond. You've interacted a lot with her so the rapport isn't going anywhere. When she asks where you've been, tell her some blatant lie: "busy with schoolwork", "out of town", "sick". The more implausible the better.

In the meantime, devote your mental and emotional energy to other prospects.

If you run into her, try to get into a situation where you can make out. If you make that happen, physically drag her somewhere more secluded. Whip your dick out and put her hand on it.
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@Lumpy:

Dude. I feel like Lumpy just completely outlined the situation here. hkmt if you keep falling for these "give me attention!" traps you're not gona fuck her.

He's right don't text her for 4 days. Do some daygame or whatever you do and get some other chicks on ur Dick.
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Sure that's true, but generally I don't let attention die I just turn it around on them. Obviously that's beyond the scope of hkmt's abilities at this point but just something to keep in mind. Both Lumpy and Alex should be considering that aspect of this however. If you give a girl too much space you can potentially just fall right off her radar, especially when your in-person isn't that tight.
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@Manwhore:
Well i didnt text her for 2 days then;

Me: dont make any plans for the eve my little puppy. Ive got the best one for you
Her: any chance of letting me know whats in your mind?

As u know when i boss her, she cant resist and follow me. What should i text her? Something fun and bossy..

Maybe "we will go to a pub and grab a few drinks. If you are gonna be a good girl, i will treat u with vodka redbull. 8.30 in front of xxx" (vodka redbull is her fav. drink)

Thoughts? Immediate help pls!!