Am I Really Being that Overconfident? (Text Game)

Maybe a lil bit too much cock BUT she is still hangin around. After all, she straight up said she'd give you another shot. Explain that you tinder for fun that you're fuckin around but she actually seems cool...maybe.

Haha! I definitely thinking you're erring on the correct side of things. Clearly you're humorous and back it up constantly. 

You should qualify her "assumptions". You can talk about your brother, how it's forced you to step it up, or your upbringing. I'd only bring one up. Clearly this will humanize you, make her understand. Then sillify it. "You call it self-centered, but all I see is chocolate and rainbows", type stuff, etc. 

I was thinking along the exact same wavelengths as both of you guys but didn't know which route to err on. Say I'm joking to test the waters or qualify her?

So I'm going with both, but first said I was joking to bait what would happen. I'm also writing out a sample of what I plan on saying next.

Check it:

Me: You should know I'm totally joking with you. I tinder for fun and not for a soul-mate lol. I'm really not as self-centered as you might think.

Me: But I do think you're kinda cool and want to get to know this outspoken girl whose a compulsive shopper :)

Me: And you can get to know me. Just ask :)

Her: My shopping is strategic, and I know I know haha. I know exactly why you have a tinder (crying laughing emoji)

Ok this girl may be my greatest adversary yet....she's going down (Dw I love and cherish women)

Here's what I'm thinking of saying:

Me: Honestly, my older brother passed away not too long ago and that did a 180 on me. He left me his favorite dog tag and I've always had it on me since. It's a constant reminder to go after what I want and have fun along the way. So I know he's cheering me on

Me: You make a lot of assumptions missy. All I'm seeing is a wall to protect the lil girl inside

Me: ... or you're embarassed you wear granny panties

Me: I just see chocolate and rainbows girl

Re-reading it....too corny and forced.

What do you guys think of this?

Me: Honestly, my older brother passed away not too long ago and that did a 180 on me and made me step up. So you're making a lot of assumptions missy.

Me: Looks to me like a wall to protect the little girl inside you from getting hurt

Me: ...or you're embarassed you wear granny patnies lol

^Could use some more torque and a lil something special....hmmm

Lol! Those last three mang..

I'd go with those. Change 2nd to "I know you're just embarrassed you wear granny panties. Your secret's safe with me" then go with 3rd 

Naw now's not time for brother line yet. Or you could but that's not the current direction this all's going in 

Me: You're making a lot of assumptions missy. Looks to me like a wall to protect the little girl inside from getting hurt

Me: I know you're just embarassed you wear granny panties. Your secret is safe with me

Me: I just see chocolate and rainbows little girl

Her: If there's no emotions, which there never is, then I can't get hurt. Try again. You just reallllllllllly love yourself. And that's not what I'm into.

Her: And I wear the exact opposite of granny panties

This could be a real good post on the thought process behind each text hmm...anyways.

You can see that she's qualifying herself which is good. And she's definitely trying to rationalize out of attraction for me by consistently saying "I'm not her type" which is actually kinda cute.

I need to stay in my frame of being the shit and keep calling her out on her "judgements" about me. It'll keep her qualifying and get her to come into my world. I do need to make her realize I have another side to me. It just the timing for that.

Here's what I'm thinking:

Me: I don't take you for the judgemental type but you're really falling into it. You don't even know anything about me but you're already pushing me away....are you afraid you'll fall in love with me

Me: I know you don't believe I'm that guy whose just gonna "pump and dump" you. I'm picturing us cooking brunch together, Phil Collins 'Feel it in the Air' playing in the background, you in that sexy underwear I love. I put my hands on your waist, turn you around so our eyes meet, and press you up against the kitchen counter. Completely making you forget that the food is burning in the pan causing a fire alarm in the building.

Let me see this girl's profile mang

After some bat cave reconaissance - the girl's your "tough girl actress", maybe she can back it up but probably not. 

Here's what I'm thinking:

Me: Didn't think you were the judge before knowing type. Its kinda cute, in like a little sister throwing a tantrum kinda way

Me: You're just afraid we'll have so much chemistry. Then that tough girl act will melt into the sweet chicken mclovin cheerleader im seeing.

^Maybe even just the second one and save the "judgy qualification" later....or if I'd even need it

I like the first one. The second one is sex, but she knows that your a crafty motherfucker already...time to judge her character a bit because she obviously needs it. 

I like where this is going. If you judge her character That'lol throw her for a loop and hopefully cause her to qualify herself (in not a 100% sure though because this girl seems slightly unpredictable to me).

oh idk about that word: "sister" lol you don't want to sister zone her bro. I'd change that but that's just me ☕️

Already msg'd only the 2nd one a while back. Will get to the 1st msg when she responds....good tips ma killas. Hm "sister" to "girl" would be better ha!

Also, how'd you do that coffee cup lol thats sick

One of my friends would always call chicks: "girl" and I ended taking that and using it. I remember telling him why does it feel so, so. I didn't know what word to describe it. 

Him: it's sexist, is what it is. But "girls" love be it.

haha I approve using girl jihad haha. 

On the forum through my phone homie lol

Soooooo

Me: You're just afraid we'll have so much chemistry. Then that tough girl act will melt into the sweet chicken mclovin cherleader im seeing

2 days no response

Hmmm....

This girl prides herself on being a hard ass. I could have kept going with your texts, and would have done things differently (thought I explained some of the specifics of this to you over text? Wasn't there another message you were supposed to send first?), but like I mentioned she'd have taken one look at dat smile in real life and her lady boner would have wilted. 

NOT your fault. Deez ones have a bit of a special complex going on. You've actually got to be a hard ass with these chicks a bit. Display an actual air of superiority. Sexual disqualification with these ones is usually mandatory as well. 

These girls will act disdainfully towards the vast majority of the male population, then go chasing around some jock chode she's got her eyes on, be the biggest dick hound on this total womp of a dude that has no idea what to do with it. She'll fuck him, get as nasty as necessary with it, in front of his friends even if that's what it takes, then because this guy's not even that experienced, she'll ditch him and tell herself all guys are chodes and the cycle will continue. 

These are the ones you've got to be icy with while still displaying emotional leadership in the right direction. 

You've got to almost punish her for being alive, lol. Soften her up a bit

Sweet I get to be a dick lol kidding.... ^___^

check it:

Me: Oh so you're the judgemental type. Thought you were just pretending to act like a hard ass but instead you might just be hiding the fact that you have a dick. 

No that's way too harsh. And there's no way back, e.g. that's it y'all are done after that. 

You gotta admit that grinder line was hilarious...y'know for context :D

edit: I'm keeping the judgemental line cause NO girl lieks to be called out on judging. Lots of social stigma around it. Then threw in some sexual disqualification at the end.

thoughts?

Me: Hm so you're the judge before knowing type. It's kinda cute, in like a little girl throwing a tantrum kinda way. 

And thank you for not giving me anything aside from direction. Its a lot more beneficial to craft up my own then just copy paste. 

This crafty crafty girl. She's taunting me. I will not stand for this!

Her: Wow I almosttttt forgot about you! But no no. No cobwebs and no tantrums here

I could easily say something cocky funny about myself in response like "Didn't think you were a liar either. I've been running through your mind all day". But that would just feed into her argument about "not her type". Then I would have to loop more stuff like before and idk where it would go...

actually ^, might not be a bad idea. Its a subtle way to get her qualifying again and keeps that air of superiority.

tricky tricky :)

Shit my nig, she's a difficult lil girl. I'm super interested where you go from here. It's totally a frame battle which is kewl for a bit but somehow you gotta make it clear that you guys are both going to win in the long run.

Just an idea, but she defintely likes competition, so playfully challenge this ho. Like MW said, arrange something social and tell her your going to whoop her butt at beer pong.

I've been in this situation far too many times, usually because i'm a dick head but I'd love to see how to soften this interaction and get the lovey dovey vibe goin.

I'll show you the light my friend. 

Lol sent her some msgs, will let you know how it pans out. If it burns up, then MW will chime in on what he would've done differently.

Me: You're being modest, didn't think you had it in you. I know i've been unning through you mind all day.

Me: You might have better luck at getting my attention in a game of beerpong...might

Her: i'd beat you in beer pong 100%

Her: You must realllllly like me

Her: You just won't give up

No. I hate you but I won't give up so I can prove to my fragile sense of self worth that I am as cool as I think I am. Jokes on you. Lol.

Here's what I'm thinking:

(Her bio says: I'm a bitch, but I'm funny)

Me: Well no actually you're a bitch, but you're funny

or 

Me: If you weren't such a bitch then I would, but you are funny

^I feel like this is the perfect zinger for her BUT idk if I should say bitch...i kinda feel uncomfortable saying it, even though she calls herself it...

I feel the tides turning boisss

I think you could go for the meet up now. She pretty much invited herself out with you. I could be wrong, but it seems like you are getting caught up in the frame battle. This was her way of softening up.

Hmmm, I just sent this. It felt right in the moment, but now I feel like a dick.

Me: Well the majority of you isn't my type, and you keep playing these games that I can't imagine any highquality dude would put up with. 90% of guys would crumble cause you'd tear their confidence up and the other 10% don't have the time to deal with your constant criticism of their character or values

Me: I'm giving you a chance cause I've dated a girl like you before. You could say I have a soft spot for chicken nuggets and high maintenance blondes.

^Too much? 

She may have been softening up but going for the meetup would've been shot down cause there is still this competition vibe between us. Her saying "you just won't give up", and then me trying to intiate something would just make her think, "Oh ya, he's chasing me. I win, later". 

Would love thoughts on this ^ and if you think if it needs tempering with something like

Me: But I do like you and want to whoop that cute lil ass of yours in beerpong for being so rudey mcbooty

You made some good points with the beer pong and here man. Thanks for that!

It makes a lot of sense

Harder but softer. 

I thinnk you are being too serious with this frame battle shit, just have fun.

Like wtf was that hahah

I would be like

Her: i'd beat you in beer pong 100%

Her: You must realllllly like me

Her: You just won't give up

Me: You wish

Me: How can you be so fucking cute and so fucking wrong?

Me: Who's being full of themselves now vanilla face? hahah

Me: Let´s make this more interesting, let's make a bet on the beer pong match... but only if you can hold your liquor

Me: I don't want to have to babysit you missy

Damn that shit was tight

No response and I'm fresh outta responses :/

MW, what was the direction you would've taken it?

I totally did get caught up in the frame battle and forgot why I was texting her in the first place. Ended up me trying to "straighten her up" for the sake of it and not to meet up.

Wait, what was the last thing you sent? Did you send deadpools material?

Theking, stop holding out on us and post some lrs, damnit.

I had already sent that long-winded response before king's

Nothing.

Shikora you got any thoughts on handling this girl? What her deal is, etc. 

Sent another msg to reengage

Me: Aight girl you won, you can have my number

Her: No thanks

Just playing around with her to see what's going on lol.

Me: Riiiight

Me: I love the way you lie but

Me: Don't make me come over there little Miss Pinocchio 2017

Me: I'll tickle the fuck out off you till you pee your granny panties hahah

Me: Let's make a bet on that beer pong match, I won't tell Geppetto... but only if you can hold your liquor

Me: I don't want to have to babysit you missy

http://manwhore.org/forum/content/tinders-new-super#comment-100368

^ That's why we can't have nice things. Not that it's strictly Meow's fault, but I'd explain something that was past people's current abilities/maturity level and they'd start throwing around heavy-handed zingers. Was fucking obnoxious and completely defeated the purpose. That's why I was hoping Shikora had some thoughts as to the nature of this girl and how to deal with her. 

king these are juicy :P

But there's something underlying with this girl that I have to tackle first - atleast to my understansing

or else i would've never gone aristotle on her lol

MW, are you talking about not wanting to give out lines cause it'll be used out of context or are you referring to my "you can have my phone number"

Cuz that was on thr fly :)

It's not just lines it's the whole immature absurdity of watching people throw shit around they know nothing about without trying to understand the underlying concepts. It's stupid

HAHA well thanks guy I'll take 95% blame.

Naw honestly you were one of several. Reading your other post just now tho dude.. YIKES. You've got some repenting to do

Au revoir you big booty hoe....alas, i'll never get to lay lips with that sweet yet sour tongue you insult me with

Different direction, curious about other's thoughts.

Oportunity to get real?

How about:

"If there's no emotions, there's no chance for love either."

"It sounds like someone's hurt you before."

She may or may not elaborate on her own position/situation, but she'd probably respond with some sort of incredulity regarding him being 50% narcissistic, as in she is surprised by him being empathic/emotion, to which he can snowflake her:

"What can I say? You draw it out of me."

Now he can be the alpha asshole who was "won over" by her.

^Not a bad thought pervert

The way Mw and I were looking at it was later down the road, as in during the date and then in the bedroom. Maybe it would've worked in getting the meetup BUT she never would've put out for me cause in person. i'd have to deal w her shit. 

Atleast, that what i think.

Its a cool idea though, nvr thought of that mervin. Thoughts niggas?

Yep it's not a bad route to go sometimes, but in the case of this chick it would have lasted a meager 2-3 texts before she got sick of it. She is a different kind of creature than typical 

Ok, so if he went that direction, those three messages (the two in a row and the next), could constitute the moment of realness, and then he could immediately go back to cocky and funny. Like give her a little hint that he can be deep and relate, and then immediately go back to teasing. Perhaps now give her something to chase after, the "real him"?

Perhaps with a girl like this you're making little dashes into comfort and rapport then having to retreat back into attraction/banter before she percieves neediness etc.

And maybe if she calls him out on switching back something like

"Yeah, maybe I'm narcisstic because it's Tinder and not face to face. Then again you did draw that out of me a bit here, that's a good sign. Only way to know for sure is to meet up."

And with a more balanced/normal girl that may have been enough of a window to go into C&R and stay there?

For context I've had interactions with girls in night game where they want to stay in banter forever. One example the girl and I were vibing for close to an hour, I won over her friend, we were in isolation or semi-isolation, but she still wasn't playing "nice". So I told her, "Say something nice to me or I'll walk away" or "Say something you like about me or I'll walk away" and I meant it. I knew that if I didn't extract that out of her we'd be at odds all night (and I guessed she was invested enough to comply). So she does, and she tells me she "likes me, and hates that she likes me". We did go home together, and she definately had emotional problems (which I found out on subsequent dates).

In other words a girl who has emotional problems -> acts bitchy = constantly pushes the seduction back to banter and avoids comfort and rapport. And, perhaps needs that style to be mirrored by a guy who is 90% asshole and 10% nice.

Also, maybe this would have all been avoided with:

Her: I see you're extremely modest

Me: Humble and ready to tumble