Guys I'd really like your input on this lil situation last night
I'd like to start by saying this chick has always been into me. There really was no gaming that needed to be done to get her over my house. She's not a superhottie or a popular girl, but when we started hooking up she had fuckin GAME.
So the date started off with me and my buddy and the two girls drinking in my basement. My buddy gets up to piss, and the girls start making out for no reason. Now after all the threesome talk on this site I naturally jumped in and started making out with them both of them. Then my buddy walks back in with a shocked look on his face laughing, I said "take her away" and pushed the other girl towards him. They leave the room. At this point i'm convinced that i'm gonna bang this girl because everything was going so well, I know she already wants me, and she's obviously thirsty if shes making out with her friend.
I don't waste much time on the makeout, I push her on the couch and whip my cock out. I say, "taste it", and too my surprise she denies. She says that she doesn't suck dick, that it's gross, and that she normally "skips that step and goes to sex." Now i'm not too worried at this point, she won't blow me, but sex seems on. I immediatly try to pull her pants off and she keeps saying no. Now I know this is going to be a challenge. I tell her she's a faggot and that she is pissing me off. We sit for a few minutes and playfully talk she says she is a "stone cold bitch" and how hard it is to "get it from her". I tell her that I'm "stonewall jackson" lol and that i'm not too worried about her. We have a funny little convo where she talks about how shes a bitch and i'm an asshole, and how are personalities are a good match. She then starts talking about how she likes it rough, and can't stand guys that are pussies. After I hear this I start escalalting on her, and I get super rough. I pull her hair, choke her, pick her up and slam her down on my couch. Obviously she loves this kinda stuff because she is getting more turned on.She keeps on teasing saying "shes in charge" and tries to push me around, I over powered the fuck outta her and tossed her around like a rag doll. She say's she loves rough I am. I finally am able to rip her pants off quite violently. However, the panties won't come off.
I stop at this point. Throw my clothes on and leave the room. I come back and tell her that her friend is getting fucked in the other room (which was a lie) she's not getting anymore of me. For all of you guys that know the conviction drill, I started running this big time. In a nutshell I told her she was fucking pissing me off and to stop playing games. We sit down and she starts trying to tease me, she twerks to the music and has a nice ass. She then gives me a lap dance. Two can play that game. I escalate again, and I get her panties off by saying that "its not sex" line. I then say I "cant have sex with her tongiht because I don't have a condom". I then fingered her and would stop right before she orgasmed. She says she "hates how I tease her". I even start licking her pussy (first time!) to really get her going. Now I'm starting to think I can fuck her.
I take a condom out. And she keeps on saying no we are not doing that and "no not on the first night." One issue was that I wasn't rock hard because she wouldn't blow me, and I kinda need the blow to get going (maybe this is a problem). I am now wondering if I was hard already and put the condom on if I could have overpowered her and put it in. Or maybe I should have at least had her touch my cock more, but a handy really wouldn't have done much. My last effort was pushing her over the couch and bending her over while I touched her from behind, I then tried to sneak the condom on...but she caught me :(
I finally just quit it...told her I was dissapointed. The my buddy and his girl came back and chill. Then these girls start really pissing me off. They sit on my couch and start giggling and texting, They then express out loud that they are getting picked up by two other guys (which was a lie, her sister picked them up). I promptly tell them to shut the fuck up and that they have to leave soon because i've got somewhere to be. My girl thinks its funny to walk up to me and playfully slap me. I tell her to slap me more and that shes a fuckin pussy. Crazy bitch slaps me like 5 more times and I rip her in for a goodbye kiss.
The most ironic part about this situation is that I've been training to smooth out my voice and make it more "girl friendly". However, I had to be quite harsh with this girl.
You shouldn't have pushed the other girl off onto your buddy. I'm sure you could've had some strange four way since your girl was into her. You handled this pretty well IMO but got a little too reactive towards the end. It's cool to tell girls off if they're being little bitches but kicking em out and getting mad probably came off slightly butt hurt. Could these girls not spend the night?
You shouldn't have pushed the other girl off onto your buddy. I'm sure you could've had some strange four way since your girl was into her. You handled this pretty well IMO but got a little too reactive towards the end. It's cool to tell girls off if they're being little bitches but kicking em out and getting mad probably came off slightly butt hurt. Could these girls not spend the night?
True.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Kicking them out was the logical conclusion to that emotional rhythm. You didn't lead yourself effectively Meow. Emotionally
You weren't going to get shit continuing down that path, derp.
http://manwhore.org/lmr-series-part-i-being-the-prize/
http://manwhore.org/laid-vegas-girls-late-resistance-prizing-my-dick/
http://manwhore.org/sexual-shit-testing/
Read in that order.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Personally I dont think calling the girl a faggot and telling her shes pissing you off or putting your clothes back on and leaving is the right way to handle lmr. If she rejects your initial attempt you just need to stay in set and switch up your approach. Just do and say whatever it takes to get her clothes off, Its not usually that difficult. After she stopped you from pulling her pants down the first time I would hava dialed my aggression back a touch and tried to baby step the lay a bit more. If a girl tries to stop you from removing an item of her clothing always use the line "It just makes it sexier" And you "just really want to touch her sexy legs". That line seriously never fails but you gotta convince the girl that its way hotter without that item of clothing and your not necessarily trying to fuck her.
A good way to sneakily get a condom on is to make the girl start giving you a handjob. About a minite in tell her that the handjob hurts without lube and it feels way better if youre wearing a condom. She will usually let you roll that sucker on right away and fucking her now becomes 10x easier. You can now tell her you just want to rub your cock on her pussy and that it makes it sexier and youre not going to fuck her etc
Thats ususally how I deal with a girl whos giving alot of resistance and it seems to get the job done.
Personally I dont think calling the girl a faggot and telling her shes pissing you off or putting your clothes back on and leaving is the right way to handle lmr. If she rejects your initial attempt you just need to stay in set and switch up your approach. Just do and say whatever it takes to get her clothes off, Its not usually that difficult. After she stopped you from pulling her pants down the first time I would hava dialed my aggression back a touch and tried to baby step the lay a bit more. If a girl tries to stop you from removing an item of her clothing always use the line "It just makes it sexier" And you "just really want to touch her sexy legs". That line seriously never fails but you gotta convince the girl that its way hotter without that item of clothing and your not necessarily trying to fuck her.A good way to sneakily get a condom on is to make the girl start giving you a handjob. About a minite in tell her that the handjob hurts without lube and it feels way better if youre wearing a condom. She will usually let you roll that sucker on right away and fucking her now becomes 10x easier. You can now tell her you just want to rub your cock on her pussy and that it makes it sexier and youre not going to fuck her etc
Thats ususally how I deal with a girl whos giving alot of resistance and it seems to get the job done.
I really like this thank you
I can even remember all the shit that went down. It was really just her game battling my game, it wasn't necesarily competitive cuz we were both having fun. I just can't believe I didn't bang her
On a side note. After having this rather aggressive experience it's really showed me how meaningless female aggression is, and how a girl being bitchy should never be taken too serious
Yeah those are very good lol.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Kicking them out was the logical conclusion to that emotional rhythm. You didn't lead yourself effectively Meow. EmotionallyYou weren't going to get shit continuing down that path, derp.
http://manwhore.org/lmr-series-part-i-being-the-prize/
http://manwhore.org/laid-vegas-girls-late-resistance-prizing-my-dick/
http://manwhore.org/sexual-shit-testing/
Read in that order.
Dude I've read all of these. Remeber when this shit happened with "hottest girl from school" chick and she wouldnt even kiss me! Lol
I thought I FOLLOWED those articles very well. I did not let this girls attitude overcome me I expressed my sexuality, at one point I pulled my shorts down and pretty much began jerking off to the music video playing on the screen!!! hahaha
Now when I look at the situation, this chick loved being dominated so much I prolly could have put the condom on and slid it in. I mean she was sprawled out on my couch without pants on. It's not like she was gonna stop me from putting the condom on MY OWN cock.
Read them again dumb ass. Especially the first one.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
You shouldn't have pushed the other girl off onto your buddy. I'm sure you could've had some strange four way since your girl was into her. You handled this pretty well IMO but got a little too reactive towards the end. It's cool to tell girls off if they're being little bitches but kicking em out and getting mad probably came off slightly butt hurt. Could these girls not spend the night?
yeah they had to leave at a certain time
I just felt like I had to tool with them If they were gonna tool with me, I'm not gonna sit in the corner and listen to them craft up some bullshit about how they are going to hangout with two others guys afterwards.
"Anyways his girl is being rather difficult so he gets frustrated and pushes her away. But his “takeaways” are based on her actions, not his. Every time he’d do it.. it’d be based on something she’d done to upset him. Well how did this translate in her mind? She actually kind of liked it. It gave her a feeling of control over him, and the situation"
BINGO
My push pull was based of of her reactions. I said and and did some okay stuff, but It wasn't as effective because of the timing.
As rule of thumb I always always always pull the panties off along with the pants. Never leave that extra barrier in place if you can help it. If she'll let you take her pants off she'll let the panties go with them... OOPS! How'd that happen?
Her: I don't have sex on the first date...
You: I'm a virgin
"Anyways his girl is being rather difficult so he gets frustrated and pushes her away. But his “takeaways” are based on her actions, not his. Every time he’d do it.. it’d be based on something she’d done to upset him. Well how did this translate in her mind? She actually kind of liked it. It gave her a feeling of control over him, and the situation"BINGO
My push pull was based of of her reactions. I said and and did some okay stuff, but It wasn't as effective because of the timing.
That shit was way too late homey. Dig back farther
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
"So as you get closer to the center of the spiral, you realize that any resistance you encounter later on in an interaction is probably because you handled a certain dynamic incorrectly earlier on."
??
Hmmm I've always been a prize to this girl. She was never as cool as me, she used to gossip with her friends about me, stare at me and talk about how sexy I was. She even told me several times and I kinda thought it was pathetic, then she ended up becoming a hottie. I was under the impression that she felt lucky to be hanging with me. My buddy was setting up the date, I hope he didn't fag it up and makes us look desperate...which he tends to do sometimes unconciously. But still when I finally locked down the date my texting was solid. Don't know how the dynamic got flipped so quickly, I wouldn't say I got "flamboozled" as you would say Manwhore, she definitely doesn't think i'm a fag by any means.
Nah I doubt it was your buddie's fault. Chode is a chode is a chode and girls know this.
perhaps she always perceived you as being above her value wise this entire time, then realized you didn't handle the situation like a boss. It wasn't really a challenge or sexy for her, you just wanted to get laid to say you did.
Dude it never stops. How did you not understand that point. It NEVER. STOPS. The entire article, as well as the other, describe how the frame can be lost at any point in the interaction, and how to pick it back up. Your reading comprehension is that of a jr high schooler.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Okay I get that now.
When did I start going down the wrong path?
As mentioned your first mistake was sending the girl out of there when you had a three-way makeout going. Showed a lack of entitlement and balls to just relax and see it through.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I thought it was weird that the chick said she didn't suck dick. What kind of chick doesn't suck dick.
I remember a chick said that to me and my friend and we teased her that she won't be able to keep a boyfriend like that.
I thought it was weird that the chick said she didn't suck dick. What kind of chick doesn't suck dick.
the thing is she does, and she probably loves it. Girls throw this shit out to see if a guy gets physically or emotionally flummoxed. Same as a girl not texting a guy back. If you're being a reactive pussy, it's VERY apparent.
oh man, stuff like this makes me realise how begginer i am. i'd back off way before meyow with her resistance, not wanting to "do the wrong thing".
probably.
i've already forgotten what i've read. i liked the part with the kangaroo.
Review of Manwhore's skype coaching: http://manwhore.org/forum/content/much-ado-about-muffing-lesbian-reviews...
Sun Tzu — 'Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win'
Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”
Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”
Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!
oh man, stuff like this makes me realise how begginer i am. i'd back off way before meyow with her resistance, not wanting to "do the wrong thing".
probably.
i've already forgotten what i've read. i liked the part with the kangaroo.
Manwhore was nice enough to put this up completely for free... It's an excellent place to start. You're gonna have to invest and put effort into it though.
http://manwhore.org/forum/content/self-hypnosis-drills-sleeping-mental-c...
oh man, stuff like this makes me realise how begginer i am. i'd back off way before meyow with her resistance, not wanting to "do the wrong thing".
probably.
i've already forgotten what i've read. i liked the part with the kangaroo.
All the good lesbians are aggressive as fuck.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
All the good lesbians are aggressive as fuck.
fact.
Review of Manwhore's skype coaching: http://manwhore.org/forum/content/much-ado-about-muffing-lesbian-reviews...
Sun Tzu — 'Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win'
Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”
Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”
Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!
Manwhore was nice enough to put this up completely for free... It's an excellent place to start. You're gonna have to invest and put effort into it though.http://manwhore.org/forum/content/self-hypnosis-drills-sleeping-mental-conditioning-all-you
i'm reading through that right now, funnily enough. how has it been helping you?
Review of Manwhore's skype coaching: http://manwhore.org/forum/content/much-ado-about-muffing-lesbian-reviews...
Sun Tzu — 'Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win'
Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”
Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”
Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!
Manwhore and i haven't had a chance to do training yet for this or that reason. Mostly because I'm so damn busy. But I have mine about 25% recorded. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and I want mine to be an asset... "anything worth doing is worth overdoing." There's a lot of cool psychological, "self-image programming" stuff that's in it that I've already been practicing and it makes a HUGE difference. Manwhore basically cut all the bullshit out and gave you something succinct and concise that will help out tons. If you start on that you'll be ahead of the game if you ever decide to do training.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Manwhore and i haven't had a chance to do training yet for this or that reason. Mostly because I'm so damn busy. But I have mine about 25% recorded. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and I want mine to be an asset... "anything worth doing is worth overdoing." There's a lot of cool psychological, "self-image programming" stuff that's in it that I've already been practicing and it makes a HUGE difference. Manwhore basically cut all the bullshit out and gave you something succinct and concise that will help out tons. If you start on that you'll be ahead of the game if you ever decide to do training.
Do you just record it on your smart phone?
http://manwhore.org/forum/content/long-term-coaching#comment-84803Lol.
You fucker. I know what you do. I'm not stupid. I'm trying to support you. You assholes can wake up with dildos in your butts.
I had a gut feeling that was a setup.
...and no, I'm recording mine via my computer, with my mic. So much easier.
She wrote that
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Btw I was totally just talkin crap. I should learn to use emoticons. What I was referring to was pretty ninja tho.
As mentioned your first mistake was sending the girl out of there when you had a three-way makeout going. Showed a lack of entitlement and balls to just relax and see it through.
damn
onviously I did have a a lack of balls, but I thought giving my friend a girl that was sucking face with me was a high value move. I guess not.
Keyser wrote:
I thought it was weird that the chick said she didn't suck dick. What kind of chick doesn't suck dick.the thing is she does, and she probably loves it. Girls throw this shit out to see if a guy gets physically or emotionally flummoxed. Same as a girl not texting a guy back. If you're being a reactive pussy, it's VERY apparent.
this could very easily be the case.
"I don't suck dick"
"...well damn neither do I *whipsout* and this isn't going to suck itself"
lol meow I don't think giving away a girl that was just in a three way make out with you is ever high value. Yeah, sounds like this would've gone much better if the making out stopped for a while and all four of you chilled. Or you invited him into the party. Could've ended up a foursome situation or paired off later. Also higher chances it ended up the three of you later on.
Manwhore wrote:
As mentioned your first mistake was sending the girl out of there when you had a three-way makeout going. Showed a lack of entitlement and balls to just relax and see it through.damn
onviously I did have a a lack of balls, but I thought giving my friend a girl that was sucking face with me was a high value move. I guess not.
I love it when pussies try to convince themselves their faggot moves are actually alpha.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I took home a chick lastnight that was way benneath me and nothing to brag about. The thing that surprised me was she got some kind of high from me trying to bang her and she played hard to get regardless of the fact I'm better then her. It reminded me of your post meow I think your eagerness fucked your situation up.
Thanks boys, learned a lot.
oh man, stuff like this makes me realise how begginer i am. i'd back off way before meyow with her resistance, not wanting to "do the wrong thing".
probably.
i've already forgotten what i've read. i liked the part with the kangaroo.
Shikorah we'll go over things specifically tomorrow that will help you with this. There are certain "principles" of physical seduction that maybe aren't really that clear to you 'cuz you're a girl and there ain't no "how to" guide out there for girls on girls- e.g. no one ever taught you what seduction on a woman looks like and you're new to the whole "aggressive" thing. But the basic premiseis that you can gauge levels of comfort as you go, you watch for small little signs that let you know the girl is comfortable. But hey hold on we had that session on sexual escalation dafuq you got issues like this for. You're The Terminatrix
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
oh man, stuff like this makes me realise how begginer i am. i'd back off way before meyow with her resistance, not wanting to "do the wrong thing".
probably.
i've already forgotten what i've read. i liked the part with the kangaroo.
Hey Shikorah
Do you have any insight on why these two girls started making out in the beginning? I think this chick may have been bi, she was telling me about how she likes making out with her friends and how grinding with girls makes her wet.