I'm going to rebrand the site.. I'd like some feedback from you guys

You should make a manwhore dating coach page on facebook and post links to all your articles on that. I'm not gonna like every individual post on this website since I don't want it showing up on my facebook lol. I'd definitely be willing to like a manwhore.org facebook page like https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderRSD in order to get updates that aren't going to show up on my wall. Because who the fuck is going to click the likes button on my own facebook page, search through that, and find RSD/Manwhore/what fucking ever, go to the website, and form an opinion about it.

But yeah, until the stereotype around PUA's changes (lol) I would think it's gonna be pretty hard to get guys to publicly "like" your posts, even if we do. I mean, it's the same reason people don't really talk about PUA to their non-PUA friends and instead let them find the community.

When you say re-branding, do you mean actually changing the name from manwhore?

Well look at the returnofkings.com website. They've got apparently 50,000 or so Facebook followers. And quite a few of the writers for the site are misogynistic as fuck

That's crazy.

To me though, that just says that the people who are liking/following that stuff don't give a fuck about their public perception. And if you're talking about people like that, what is changing the brand really gonna accomplish. Plus, those are probably dudes who have A. no game and B. no willpower/dedication required to learn it. In other words, dudes who have no business visiting your site anyways. They're like the male equivalent of fat chicks who write for jezebel and go to fat acceptance rallys instead of just dieting because they're too lazy to lose the weight.

I dunno though man. Just my 2 cents. I'm sure there is some stuff you can do, I just don't know what it is. Maybe some of the other guys on here can give you some better advice.

I wonder how many of those are hate follows. They've had a few things go viral because people were really offended. I'm preety sure RoK was the most visited site in the manosphere before the controversy though. It seems to be working almost like an aggregator for that part of the web. That being said, do you want to monetize the site? Or just get more exposure in general?

You should make it more like brobible, and focus the site more on the content that you post, because you definitely post some interesting/funny/cool stuff. You stll have the forum but it's not the main focus.

Name change could help. I imagine many people would come to a judgment just based on someone liking a "manwhore" page. Something more subtle, which is more encompassing of what this website is really about. ( self development ) Also, the content might have to be diluted / censored a bit for people to not feel so self conscious about the "PUA" stereotype. Magic tricks, fuzzy hats, and outlandish attire really freaked the general population out lol.

Dude get rid of the Health / Fitness section I'm yet to see a single topic post lol

Can you explain?

There's at least a couple threads a week on health/fitness. And more to come

Yeah that's an important point. I'll have a look at brobible

I can't even get to this site from work. Blocked because of the "whore" in the name apparently... so that is a start.

Sorry can't offer more input than this yet.

Yep another solid point lol.

Thanks. Yes please pm

To be totally fair though, the mainstream's view of pickup is the book The Game. About a week or so ago I decided to read it for entertainment since I never had...

That shit is fucking WIERD man. I only read like the first 30 pages and even I was kind of disturbed. Ross Jefferies was fighting with Mystery over who got to be Neil's guru. They were trying to use NLP and anchoring to anchor a girl's attraction to them to a fucking napkin LOL. And then RJ tried to use it on Neil to convince him to get him into Hollywood parties. No wonder dudes post on rsdnation occasionally saying Tyler is trying NLP their asses haha.

These dudes were obviously pretty fucked up. I mean, I'm grateful to them for doing that stupid shit and saving everyone the time of trial and error. But still, if you were an average joe reading that book, you would think PUA was fucking wack too.

I think an "ask manwhore" section would be absolutely hilarious.. brobible has an "ask a bro" section, also a "hookup heros" sections which are pretty much lay reports. It isn't a PUA site, it's really just frat boy kinda shit, but they do fit some "socially" unnacceptable content into a friendly looking site. 

You should change the name to captainsluttyballs.edu

I agree with Jack about not diluting the content of the site.

With that said, if you're going rebrand it for a wider audience, I think Meow has the best suggestion. The reason brobible works is that it's not branded as a PUA website, even if there is PUAesq content on the site. It's a college guy/frat guy/bro website, which IS a stereotype that our society has accepted.

I think it would help if you had a Start Here button somewhere on the front page of your website, similar to the Introduction thread at the top of the forum, explaining what the site is, so people know what to expect and how to percieve the website. Then maybe just not making the front page of the website so polarizing that you scare everyone away

^ I honestly think this is like dressing a donkey in a tuxedo and trying to get him into a nice restaurant

You dick.

Lol

That came out wrong, I just retread it. I'm not saying your site is a donkey. I'm sayings your content stands out and IMO it would be hard to brand it mainstream without compromising the authenticity. Apologies to you and rz

Just so I'm not misunderstanding, by "rebranding" are you talking about altering your content to have a more broad appeal, or are you hoping to go mainstream with the content basically as-is?

I was actually out on Friday night until 9am and ended up going home disgusted with myself for being a nice guy little bitch and ultimately not pulling. Last night I went out somewhat angry about it, acted like somewhat of a dick, and took a girl home and fucked her, very nearly a threesome. Apologies again for my dickish comment, I'm still pissed at myself over friday nights fail and am over calibrating a bit

Lol, I agree. I don't see any real to way to make this site something that I would post/share on facebook without massively changing/dilluting the content. I like the site the way it is.

Actually, something just occured to me. What you could do is instead of just coming straight out the gates with the polarizing stuff when people still don't know that much about you. What you could do is leave the website exactly how it is, create a start here button like I said, telling them how to percieve the website, and then somehow gradually break them out of their shitty comfort zone of "modern" dating advice. As opposed to, the first thing people see when they open the website being "Why being a douchebag gets you laid" which is going to give them a gut reaction feeling of "what the fuck is this" *clicks X* lol.

I think I've told you this before, but if you weren't so closely affiliated with RSD, I would never have given your website a chance. When I first opened the website I completely didn't take it seriously. But because Tyler and the instructors over at rsdnation vouched for you I kept coming back to your website and gradually warmed up to your point of view.

Rez does touch on a really obvious point. Your content may not be quite suitable for mainstream but you could probably dial it back a tiny bit and reach a much broader audience without compromising integrity at all. I honestly completely disregarded your shit for a really long time based on your name alone. If you lost the handle and re-titled your articles you would probably have more traffic and far less people shocked and u-balling the hell outta there without changing really anything. 

^Yup, exactly

Man I don't know what you guys are thinking but this site has a bounce rate of less than 1% lol. Yes what I'll be doing is opening up another site with a more mainstream
friendly look to it. With content that's not as sexual.

Lol, was about to suggest just this...^

Leave MW.org alone! 

Well the name of the site is Manwhore.org, one would think visitors to the site wouldn't be that squeemish. This is great in that there's no fucking around or false advertising. It would be interesting to see what would happen to the bounce rate if the site was renamed "mainstreamdating.com", and the first thing people see is an article titled "be a mothafackin douchebag and fuck bitches raaaa!!"(exaggerating because I think its funny lol, even if it is a bit unfair).  I think the point Rez and I were trying to make is get way more people in the door by dropping the alienating "manwhore" domain, maybe tone down the explicit photos and titles which may shock many of your newly expanded visitors. Let them experience you (us) a bit before they judge. Progressively introduce them to what we're about.

Rez and I (who are obviously awesome) both dismissed you very early on. If we did, many others must be too. Maybe that's ok, as I said I like the site as is. Filtering out a lot of the mainstream audience before they get in the door is most certainly a big part of what makes it awesome. It's a private lounge for big boys. These are just some thoughts on how you might cast a bigger net.

Yeah you're right that's defining the problem as succinctly as possible lol.

I have to have a mainstream site.

I specifically joined because of your name and all the silly shit.

I'm all for dudes making money. I think if your product is good it will spread because of word of mouth and you will gain dedicated followers who trust you and thats great marketing. This is a long term strategy. The other way would soft it up so you can pump and dump and take the fast cash. Alls good for the money.

Well dude, I have to be a little bit in your face right now. Rebranding is pretty much changing the name that people recognize your service by... Take Coca-Cola for example. It shouldn't be done lightly. You should have a clear idea of what you're trying to represent.

When you asked me about a visual representation, I asked you for a clear description of what you were trying to represent, but you were either unwilling or unable to say it. As an artist I shouldn't have to do that for you, because chances are, I'll get it wrong. You know your business INFINITELY better than I do. I definitly recommend doing some soul-searchin as well as, looking at WHY people ask you for training, what they get out of it...

I live a life of excellence in all that I do, and to the best of my ability, bring that excellence into the lives of those around me.

The key here is inside-->out, not outside-->in.

Like Rez & Jack said about the donkey in a tux. That's outside>In

Or you could put a supermodel in a sackcloth. That's Inside>out

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS: If you're a supermodel in a sackcloth... you need to figure out her dimensions and get her a sexy dress that fits just right... or in your case, a bald, bearded, muscular, ex-military man... in a dress.

Hmm. That's actually not a bad image... Manwhore in a dress blasting away with an AR-15 and a caption that says, "text game problem... SOLVED"

K a few of you are getting super excited trying to flex your fledgling internet marketing skills. Been there done that. I'm not trying to shut down the discussion. But answer the question. Some of your responses are about as generalized as it gets. That includes you infinity.

What are some specific ideas for making a dating site acceptable for Facebook.

I've been in internet marketing and web design for five years now, made close to half a million iron smackers. Design and marketing is my poo poo.

This is the difference between guys giving text advice like, "got to make her chase bro!" And then me actually telling you what to write

When I think mainstream dating advice, I think stuff like AskMen, EliteDaily, Eharmony, or other stuff like that. Generally the focus on these websites isn't 100% dating though, which doesn't help you.

Honestly, PUA stuff aside, I can't think of a single legitimate dating advice article ANYONE I know has shared on facebook, outside channels that I'm subscribed to like RSDnation and Simple Pickup. Most people don't want to focus on self-improvement, ESPECIALLY in the dating realm because it requires them to admit they have a problem with it. The only exception being large groups like bodybuilding.com where that IS the culture.

I mean, what are you trying to get people to do MW? Do you just want them to like your posts or actually share them?

If you want them to like your posts, in my mind, it simply has to not be offensive and offer some sort of value. So basically,

-Change your handle

-Re title the articles

-Re write the articles using less strong language

-Change the artwork to be less polarizing

-Keep the more "out there" articles off the front page until you build up a following

If you want them to share them, thats a whole nother can of worms. Usually articles that get shared offer one of the following:

-Humor

-Feel good mainstream/girl poweresq platitudes (ex: if he won't wait for you... he doesn't deserve you!!! yay!!!) or shit like (the world is beautiful!!!) lol

Help me out MW, what kind of dating advice websites are you trying to replicate?

Right that's all very true. So what I was possibly trying to figure out was how to sidestep the issue, by having maybe.. crazy pornesque art (funny sexual stuff is still very mainstream), a "wall" e.g. cool short postings with either images or articles-like what I do on my Facebook now, a super duper good YouTube channel e.g. videos where my vibe and theatrics are just beyond reproach, "cool" lay reports e.g. the reports rewritten Tucker max style without the pu jargon, and other stuff. I also want to encourage female members. I have really the all-time record for bringing the most girls to forums and knowing about the community and participating. At least a dozen.

These are just some ideas

Ok, I'm starting to get a feel for what you actually want now. I'll think about it, but if you could define your goals for the new website, that would help me out tremendously. Right now all I'm getting is that you want the new website to:

-Have a larger audience

-Encourage female members of that audience

Also, what kind of services are you going to provide? IE, how is the site going to make money?

Having a larger audience doesn't seem that hard, you just have to not offend people like we said earlier, or you have to offer value other than just pure dating advice. Or market better lol.

The female audience is a bit trickier, but it's the same idea. You have to offer value to those girls and make sure the website doesn't develop a culture of misogyny.

But yeah, need to know your goals for the website and how you want it to make money. Do you just want to be a pure dating coach, like on this website? Or do you want to dive into so other form of offering people value (although your podcasts are super entertaining, just saying)

Pretty ambitious. I'd really love to see it happen. Right off the bat I'd say you need minimum 10-20 times as many articles and video blogs as you're currently putting out in order to have enough content to hold anyone's attention. Video quality, "vibe and theatrics" need massive improvement. I would start exploring what kind of "funny sexual stuff" you think will fly, you'll need a bunch of that too. My guess is it would have to be pretty gay (ie. Ben Stiller style romantic comedy) but I would love to be proven wrong. You'll have to completely re-learn how to write. (honestly still don't think i'd share it on facebook but would love to be proven wrong here too) All this and hopefully have enough time to keep MW.org going.  Good luck

Ok I'm going to take one more crack at changing your mind lol. 

Fuck mainstream. Its never been done successfully. The seduction market is growing and you're already in on the ground floor. You don't have to invent a flying car, you just need to bring the one you've got back towards the middle and away from the fringe. I agree that rebranding should not be taken lightly but I think "Manwhore" has gotta go. I think you're going to be overextending yourself if you're going to take on a website like what you're describing. 

To get your feet-wet in the main-stream a little bit, why not write some kick ass maistream articles and contribute them to mainstream non-community pages (see Elephant Journal) and refer them back to your site? Otherwise soften the edges up a little as described above. Either way I think you need to work on more articles and (maybe) more/ better vblogs

I don't agree with "Fuck mainstream."

Jenna Marbles does exactly this kind of thing and gets tons of views, likes, shares etc with a shitty webcam and a dog...

I think her "fuck it... Tell it like it is" attitude is a good way to get the message across.

Podcast maybe? A la Joe Rogan?

I would post a video of you fucking a tranny riding a elephant on the the roof of the MGM. Oh and just so happens you give dating advice.

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Yep working on a podcast as well

I think a more active youtube channel would increase your site traffic regardless of it you change it or not

podcast would be awesome, you have an entertaining voice

Ohhh the one thing that must change is the title on the tab for the site. I hate how it says "Dating Advice For Men", makes me feel like a fag.

Lol. What should it be

"Dating Advice For Fags"