The Manifesto From The Santa Barbara Mass Slayer

Parents r blaming the NRA. We live in such a backwards world

Parents r blaming the NRA. We live in such a backwards world

Dude grillz everytime you post tehre's like 6-7 repeats, it's annoying as fuck.

But yeah, I think part of it at this point, especially for the parents, is that there has to be someone//something to blame 

So you're gonna hear a bunch of weird//stupid shit comin out of the woodwork for a lil while, and then down the road, there might be a solid discourse, but def. not right away

I agree with all of these points. Especially the first one 

Thanks for the feedback

Lol manwhore if I tried real hard not to listen to you imagine how much of a cluster fuck this guy would've been. I think there might've been a good chance but you would probably need a team and more time, energy than you already have. This fuck stick who derserved to die would've need a team of manwhores working day and night to set straight.

Either way situation is fucked.

...NRA? Holy hell, maybe if this took place in texas he would have a 9 mil in his head before he took a couple more lives.

I dunno man, I wanna think that this guy could be helped, and maybe with MW guiding and explaining shit to him he could have been. As oppossed to PUAHate doing the exact opposite. But he had access to some really awesome free information and it didn't help him at all. Maybe just having some kind of support in learning this stuff though, instead of going at it 100% alone would have made the difference. I mean, if he could orchestrate a mass murder plot by himself, with nothing but encouragement from PUAHate (as far as I know they didn't help him plan anything) then I would think MW could have done the exact opposite WAY more effectively.

But I dunno, too many variables to say one way or the other IMO.

The way the news outlets and media these days make out these kids to be celebrities, like some kind of masterminds, the kids get these ideas that the dark thoughts in their heads are so bent out of shape as to deserve fame, it's no wonder some fucked up kids get the idea into their head that mass murder is the perfect way to live out their fantasies.

For sure a lot of variables at play but I wonder if he was drawn to PUAhate because he was so far gone. But manwhore is pretty damn certain it's still not anything

I had a feeling this would come up on the forum. Let me first start by saying that I am going to make an entirely new post on this because my thoughts are very long. This happened at my school, he shot people where I used to go everyday for lunch, one of the people who he killed was my friend, her name was Katie Cooper. This kid was a clear psychopath and was autistic, specifically he had what we know as Asbergers. Could we have helped him... maybe, I had similar which I just talked about on the conference. Again I'll post more about this 

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damn RSD getting some heat over this

Like no joke.. julien deserves that shit. He rode that wave, helped it along this is just a natural consequence we knew he'd face the poop storm sooner or later. It'll simmer down.

yeah, it's not surprising, just relevant so I figured I'd post it up. This is probably gonna be worse for him than when jeffy had the rape van PUA article written about him

You had assburger? 

 this is an interesting point about how the mainstream tries to interpret things they dont understand. This fucked up thing happened and people scramble to figure out why. The "weird/stupid shit" comes out but is only "weird" to people in the know. Mainstream collective needs something to tell them why, it just needs to make sense it doesn't need to be right.

hahahah that video mentions Julians antics? Oh fuck 

Yeah, it takes his "Ted Bundy of pick up" video completely out of context, which kind of annoys me since it's not at all accurate. But MW's right, Julien had this coming to him.

Most likely couldn't be helped. His issues were far beyond women. He didnt even have friends, romanticized his revenge, and set arbitrary timelines for when he was entitled women. This kid was out of his damn mind. Dont miss the facts, this kid had resources and rejected them for some perverted ideology. This is a sad thing to see. Your point about us having it in us to kill is irrelevant. Its true we do, but it requires the RIGHT circumstances - of Which our threshold is FAR above this kid. The level that caused him to snap isnt normal. 

I actually had that exact same thought process as you did, but I realized it was coming from a place of fear. 

The truth, is that this isn't a "mental disorder" issue. Mainstream media, and others want to say it is because that isolates the problem.

If we can just say this guy has a mental disorder, then we can metaphorically just ship him off to an island where he lives with all the other "bad guys", close our eyes, and pretend everything is totally fine.

It's actually bullshit, and it's why I changed my mind. Like I thought a lot about it, and it was really tough for me to see the light, but now that I do- it's really clear what's going on. 

This isn't an issue of a "Mental Disorder" (I mean, yes on some level it is, but that's not the poitn).... In a SUPER tragic, and completely unfortunate and shitty way, society just got called the fuck out.  And it's tough for me to say this, because I don't want to disrespect the memory of the innocent people who died, completely needlessly, but this needs to be a wake-up call.

There are a couple ways to react to something like this:

-We can sit in denial, isolate the problem, close our eyes and get angry

-Or we can feel that anger, let it flow through us and watch it morph into sadness, and use the emotional anger as fuel to actively engage with the problem, in a way that pushes everything forward.

Society as a whole is going to take the first one- that can't be helped. BUT on an individual level, we can choose option #2, and that's what's important. 

If, instead of just casting this guy out and saying he was mentally disturbed, we can get ourselves to see him as a natural, albeit extreme, consequence of the way gender roles//sex is addressed in society, I think there's a lot to learn here.

But can you imagine the level of responsibility//introspection this would take, on a mass-scale. Can you imagine major news outlets, coming on the TV with an hour-long segment, devoted to just coming out and admitting that they sensationalize the extremes of gender roles, and as a result have aliented all of society...

What if we had women's groups finally coming out and admitting that in addition to teaching women to say "No", we also taught them to understand and know how to fully say, "Yes", and that doing so doesn't make you a "slut". 

What if we had TV Sitcoms come out that didn't play on the extremes of some fictionalized version of reality where men are subjugated to chasing women, and doing crazy shit just to get their attention. 

There's a lot being called into question here, and I think that it's important to see that while this was obviously a very extreme example, there are still lessons the rest of us can draw from this. Let's not be super quick to cast this guy off like some crazy person. 

As fucked up as it is- parts of him exist in all of us. Society crafted and molded him into who he was. He didn't just pop out of the womb like this. 

Also- I'm not "blaming" society here. I honestly don't think there's anyone or anything to necessarily "blame" here . But it's an amazing chance to learn. And hell, if society as a whole isn't going to learn from this.... I know I sure as hell am gonna take what I can. 

Yes awesome.

Our thought process is similar in that yes he exemplifies gender roles to an extreme level. However, it is BECAUSE his threshold was this low that I believe he has a mental disorder. This isn't normal and qualifies as a mental disorder on practically EVERY level.. i'll leave the whether or not he could've got help since thats clearly mental masturbation at this point. There's a lot more I want to write and I'll get to it later.

Yeah, I hear ya- read my post before that.. it's a lil more applicable. 

You can't see the forest, cause you're lost in the trees. I was the same way for a bit.

No disrespect, but I disagree. This is much more complicated than "society". You can morph it into seeing a silverlining that does exist. What I am saying, and what your argument hinges on is that he was a natural consequence of society bro. That's just simplifying what is going on. His unique set of circumstances created him; society was simply one small factor in the equation. Just because he has a mental disorder doesn't mean we have to ship him off on an island which isolates the issue either. This needs to be evaluated so that we can move forward to help people with issues so they can be normal functioning members of society. This isn't about throwing this under the rug but rather examining HOW he came to be, and what we, on every level can do to address this issue. But I think marginalizing his issues is simply better off as an academic exercise. And lol honestly that was what your post was about so sorry it just bothered me because even though society probably won't tackle these issues, it doesn't mean we should give up on a practical discussion. Progress doesn't happen that way, even if it's on a forum.

Now if I were to take a stab at what I think could potentially help prevent this, I think it would be looking at our mental health care system. I think it would be looking at the common grounds that these "anomalies" have. I.E. Angry, resentful, and mentally ill individuals. Once again, I'm not trying to stigmatize mentally ill people, since most mentally ill individuals are generally nice people. ( My friend works as a teacher for mentally ill people and I've met them. ) But it's difficult to overlook their mental illness when in the majority of these tragedies this is the common ground that they have. Our mental health care system is inadequate though, especially when you start looking at the large discrepancies in education between therapists and social workers. Also, these individuals are able to "hold it together" for periods at a time when they need to. So that also makes it much more difficult because they can appear normal.

Here's a good article

http://markmanson.net/school-shootings

After some conversations and reading on the matter I'm not sure the actual root of the problem can be resolved so easily. Generally speaking in the history of mankind I don't think there has usually been a 50/50 man/woman ratio. MW and I discussed this the other day. Generally men are thinned out by battling each other, allowing both men and women to be sexually "abundant" . Women are naturally sexually abundant anyway, all they need to do to get laid is consent basically. Modern society has had a mechanism in place that counteracts this: slut shaming. Slut shaming is the countermeasure that keeps women from full abundance and keeps beta males getting laid. Women nowadays are experiencing relatively shame free sexual abundance at an unprecedented level. They can enjoy sex and move on without having to nail down a man. If all women had to nail down a man, every man and woman would be getting laid. They don't. They can go out and pick their favorite guy of the night that they can get. Its generally going to be the same 20% of guys every night. The bottom 20% of guys are almost certainly never getting laid. "The community" is almost certainly contributing to this. If 20% of all men suddenly studied and became proficient at pickup and went out regularly, there would be zero chance for the afc's. So as men like us emerge and grow in numbers, men who are bettering ourselves falling into congruence with our natural dominance and masculine polarity; and as society rightfully continues to let go of the idea that women are sluts and should be shamed for sexual liberation, it is only going to get worse for all but the "top" men.

So do you think this is a bad thing? On one hand it means guys are getting generally more on top of their shit (which benefits women as well), but as a consequence this bottom 20% of males are going to suffer. Would them getting laid really solve the problem, or do these individuals have deeper issues they need to confront? I personally think this is a consequence of centuries of men subjugating women

I dunno man, I was pretty tired when I posted that. Tired now. There might be a point in there somewhere but frankly its probably just more explosive diarrea. 

ooh kill em

Nothing is to "blame here." Its a shame but stuff like this, as much as everyone should have the same attitude as you, is just a natural consequence of the cultural shifts western society is experiencing.