She loves to test me - I'm having trouble with it
So basically I met this girl through a mutual friend, we exchanged numbers and texted a bit, she knows I'm into her and we do flirt and banter a bit, I see her from time to time at social events but we don't hang out alone, the reason being she told me about how she's kinda hoping this guy she's interested in sticks around so I'm assuming they aren't really dating but it's that and she's friends with my ex.
Recently shes he's been warming up to me a bit and we talk more. The only thing is I initiate the conversations. She's a typical good girl, no swearing, doesn't go out too much, etc. So it's a bit of a challenge for me so I'm trying to see what I can do with this.
My biggest problems with this girl is getting her to invest more into conversations and passing her shit tests. She gives me so many I can't even keep up with them.
Ill post the the current conversation we are having in hopes you guys could help me out a bit. I have no problems setting up day 2's with any other chicks, but this one is a challenge for me to say the least.
Typical "good girl?" What's that? Never seen one before lol.
Also sounds like a case of "the one-itis." If this chick has another man in her sights, she's gonna tool the heyl out of you. She's gonna pull stuff like appearing to be really into you, flirting, and touching you a lot. Next minute she's throwing you under the bus. Because she wants that dude to be jealous. She'll lead you on as long as it takes. It's the doofy way chicks think.
Who's got two thumbs and been THERE before? Infinity. lol.
Post up the convo. Your inner game issues definitely come out in convos and there are some pretty perceptive dudes on here.
Manwhore put this up. Should prolly get started on it.
http://manwhore.org/forum/content/self-hypnosis-drills-sleeping-mental-c...
A girl will fit any role a guy is comfortable with her in. So to her you're that guy she gets to fulfill that "virgin" role with. For girls it's like playing dress up with dolls. I once had an Indian guy tell me if "pu" didn't work out he'd have his parents arrange a marriage with a beautiful "proper" Indian girl. Dot not feather (sorry couldn't resist :p). Well I started trying to show him pictures of the "proper" Indian girls he was talking about. I'd given one her first facial, and I had pictures of her all dressed up in her ceremonial gowns, etc. He ran away practically screaming, averted and covered his eyes, he didn't want to see, and be forced to acknowledge that even his "proper" Indian girls loved a nice dick.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
The best way to get this girl is to show yourself to be successful with other people in front of her. You'll force her to reevaluate you. She'll also try acting more flirtatious with you to see if you'll fall right back into the chase mode with her, but you need to be a bit more appraising and qualifying. YOU'RE the man, and you need to maintain that edge. Remember that the end result you want is your dick inside her! You can't get that if you've got some sort of "worshipful" idea about her, whether it's the virgin pedestal or not, women cannot suck the cock of their adorers. It breaks the spell. Now I'm not saying you can't love and respect women and still fuck them, you can, it's just a bit different a dynamic. "Boss Daddy" type attitude and vibe.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
...and you wouldn't believe some of the shit I've heard girls tell their boyfriends on the phone. Sometimes while I was doing dirty things to them. Is it weird that I get turned on by that? lol.
It's amazing how much us dudes are programmed to play the "provider" role. I got a shitton of it. I just look at my male family members and realize how awful it is.
The best way to get this girl is to show yourself to be successful with other people in front of her. You'll force her to reevaluate you. She'll also try acting more flirtatious with you to see if you'll fall right back into the chase mode with her, but you need to be a bit more appraising and qualifying. YOU'RE the man, and you need to maintain that edge. Remember that the end result you want is your dick inside her! You can't get that if you've got some sort of "worshipful" idea about her, whether it's the virgin pedestal or not, women cannot suck the cock of their adorers. It breaks the spell. Now I'm not saying you can't love and respect women and still fuck them, you can, it's just a bit different a dynamic. "Boss Daddy" type attitude and vibe.
I may be off in my view of this, but I kindof see it as girls having little "vynil records" ie behavior patterns for different types of dudes or situations. When they see a certain type of dude it's like, "Oh ok, pull up this record, play this track... click, whirr."
Yep that's pretty much exactly it. What's amazing is when they start dj'ing with multiple records playing! Put one on mute, turn up the feed on the other, turn up the treble!
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I've seen chicks use this on dudes, especially cops. Most guys think it's the boobs. And that may help a bit, but they're playing a role and the cop is usually dumb enough to follow along. I actually did exactly that last week and got out of a $200 speeding ticket. Yess... Obi Rob Kenobi lol
You talked the cop's pants off!
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Hahah you guys are fuckin' awesome. I laughed too hard at some of those stories. It's funny cause I'm actually brown but would never want an arranged marriage and my parents are way too westernized for that lol
What I'm basically trying to do at the moment is not compliment her so much cause she already knows I'm into her etc.. so I figure I need to stop chasing so much.
What I meant by "Good Girl" is like she seems so proper its weird, I asked our mutual friends about it and even they agreed with me. Girl, barely goes out, doesn't really party hard, never heard her swear and I don't think I've heard her insult anyone or anything before.. Very different from the girls I'm used to gaming that are usually nothing like this.
Okay this is the conversation so far.. I'll have to type it out because I have a crappy Iphone.. no worries since I'm on a laptop.
(Bit of a background before I start, I practice MMA and we have been incorporating a lot of gymnastics into our workouts for core strength and balance and she used to be an amazing gymnast so I used it to relate a bit)
Me: Gave that round off a secong chance @ training.. Nailed it -Attatched a baby fist pumping meme-
Her: Lol nice!
Her: Was it any good ?
Me: I'm on team Canada now, you tell me ;)
Her: How is a round off gonna help you make team Canada ?
Me: Apparently I'm the next big thing in gymnastics ;) hahaha
Her: Oh in gymnastics.. Lol and Nahh if you can do a round off and make the team then I would have been in the Olympics years ago
Me: Don't be like that.. Raining on my parade. I worked hard, jealousy isn't THAAT cute..
Her: Oh I'm not jealous! Lol but I think for somone to hurt themselves doing a round off in the first place isn't good enough lol
Me: Those are fightin' words pipsqueak, are you sure you wanna go there :p
Her: Obviously haha
Me: Haha ballsy, that smile wouldn't look like that after messing with me *flex emoticon*
Her: Well you wouldn't have to worry about me smiling at you if you messed my face up hahah
Me: If anything I'd make your face look better. I've got magic hands *praying hands emoticon*
Her: Ouch
I haven't replied to her yet, I just find my text game isn't very good and I almost struggle with coming up with things to say. This conversation isn't too bad, I mean it just started but she does throw shit tests at me a lot in other conversations.
What do you guys think?
Thanks again for the help. Much appreciated
Was thinking about shooting back "Although it's hard to work magic on an angel" thanks to a few buds from RSD. But I'll hold off and wait for your guys' opinions.
Sending that "magic on angels" thing probably won't help you. I think we pretty much said it in the comments above. Think about the larger picture. What are the things you are doing and saying framing you and her as?
Think about the vibe you are projecting right now that is causing her to play the role of "prudish, proper, good girl." There's pretty much only one thing that clicks that "vinyl record."
Okay I understand what you're saying. I'll have to reframe and turn this into something I want and game how MW said too
thanks fellas!
You're almost framing yourself as a "wifebeater" lol. Kill that. I've been favoring, "Little girl's daddy" lately. It's hard to fuck up and just about every woman responds to it. So if you were playing/putting her in that role, what are some things you could say, considering you just said you were going to perform plastic surgery via a beating lol
BAHAHA! That was (I guess) unintentionally hilarious. Holy fuck
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Dude you were so smooth with how you went down the path of beating her ass. Omg. Anyone else seeing this? Fucking fantastic. Like literally, that was well played. You just need to transition back to saner territory LOL
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
who told you to write this "magic on an angel" crap??
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
who told you to write this "magic on an angel" crap??
Wow talk about shooting yourself in the foot. RSD guys are second place when it comes to this stuff
Hahaha I know I was surprised how well she played into that role since I wasn't exactly meaning to go that way. I sort of went with the flow and she just followed. I know some girls who would have been like "Wtf?..." Definitely tried to steer away from it asap, glad I did too.
The angel crap was from a RSD group I'm in on facebook. I ended up taking the advice and to be honest this was one of the better convos I had with her I think. I kind of messed up a bit but compared to some of my other conversations with this chick, I'd say I'm getting better.
Anyway, it went like this after her initial "Ouch" Reply...
Me: Although, it is hard to work magic on an angel ;)
Her: Blahhh... that's the sound of me barfing hahaha
Her: Lol jk
Me: I had to hold mine back, we both know you're no angel lol
Her: Close to it
Me: You think so huh?
Her: Everyone knows so
Me: I wasn't aware. I figured you could be something special but come on.. be realistic ;)
Her: Lol I am being realistic, it's you whose not haha
Me: Do you think you're cute?
Her: Lol why? I think I'm pretty, I don't like to be cute cuz that makes me feel way too little (Thinking of using this info later, could be handy for working her insecurities. Saw a RSD vid on it. Might have to refer back to it though.)
Me: Pretty is a big jump from cute
Her: So I'm not pretty ?
Me: No, you're stunning
Her: That's a little far fetched haha!
Me: I know what I'm talking about, not every girl is special :p (Definitely felt myself mess up riiiight here ...Was kicking myself a bit after)
Her: Lol ohh okay
Me: You're not there yet but maybe someday haha
Her: Haha
Me: I can go if you want, you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to you know haha (Tried to go for some compliance or a bit of a take-away, cause of the responses, etc.)
Her: I know, I'm actually out right now so haha!
Me: Haha cool, just clarifying. I gotta question though
Her: What ?
I didn't reply yet because I got busy and forgot the question, so I kind of screwed myself over there hahaha.
I felt I was doing well until I took that advice on facebook, then it was a bit of a downhill skid....
Reference point nonetheless, I can probably turn it around though...
Woah you just went full faggot mode on this one! Yikes....
Let's break this down and see why you fucked up so bad.
You are solidifyign her identity as a 'good girl'
You said we both know she's no angel. And she says close to it. and you just go with that and her only option is to go full angel in your eyes. You should have said
me: yeah and france and germany are right next to each other, that's why they've always been allies
Then you start telling her to be realistic, so gay. And then you ask her if she thinks she's cute. What are you tryign to do???? This is horrific.
You realize that asking her if she think she is a good girl is not helping your cause. You have two optiosn
Options 1 - Make the good girl thing lame as fuck
"yeah you're a super good girl. Your parents must be soooo proud! I bet they have all of your debate club trophies all over the house"
Option 2 - Connect to her more deeply as a women instead of this illusion of how she must act
"yeah this good girl thing ain't foolin me. But it's cute, I'll go with it! Just don't stare at my ass to hard or you're going to blow your cover"
Hahaha I know I was surprised how well she played into that role since I wasn't exactly meaning to go that way. I sort of went with the flow and she just followed. I know some girls who would have been like "Wtf?..." Definitely tried to steer away from it asap, glad I did too.The angel crap was from a RSD group I'm in on facebook. I ended up taking the advice and to be honest this was one of the better convos I had with her I think. I kind of messed up a bit but compared to some of my other conversations with this chick, I'd say I'm getting better.
Anyway, it went like this after her initial "Ouch" Reply...
Me: Although, it is hard to work magic on an angel ;)
Her: Blahhh... that's the sound of me barfing hahaha
Her: Lol jk
Me: I had to hold mine back, we both know you're no angel lol
Her: Close to it
Me: You think so huh?
Her: Everyone knows so
Me: I wasn't aware. I figured you could be something special but come on.. be realistic ;)
Her: Lol I am being realistic, it's you whose not haha
Me: Do you think you're cute?
Her: Lol why? I think I'm pretty, I don't like to be cute cuz that makes me feel way too little (Thinking of using this info later, could be handy for working her insecurities. Saw a RSD vid on it. Might have to refer back to it though.)
Me: Pretty is a big jump from cute
Her: So I'm not pretty ?
Me: No, you're stunning
Her: That's a little far fetched haha!
Me: I know what I'm talking about, not every girl is special :p (Definitely felt myself mess up riiiight here ...Was kicking myself a bit after)
Her: Lol ohh okay
Me: You're not there yet but maybe someday haha
Her: Haha
Me: I can go if you want, you don't have to talk to me if you don't want to you know haha (Tried to go for some compliance or a bit of a take-away, cause of the responses, etc.)
Her: I know, I'm actually out right now so haha!
Me: Haha cool, just clarifying. I gotta question though
Her: What ?
I didn't reply yet because I got busy and forgot the question, so I kind of screwed myself over there hahaha.
I felt I was doing well until I took that advice on facebook, then it was a bit of a downhill skid....
Reference point nonetheless, I can probably turn it around though...
But seriously man! You started to get the groove and then you freaked the fuck out and went back to fag mode. Gawdddd I hope you understand this.
Really good shit P.B.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Yeah that's exactly what happened and the worst part was I felt it happen. I went from grasping it to full on chode mode. It was fucking horrifying cause it happened right in front of me and I couldn't understand LOL
Basically I'm gonna blow the shit out of the good girl thing next time it comes up. I just haven't bothered replying to her since I was out with friends and forgot what I was about to ask her. So I sort of just left her hanging.
I think a better frame would even be just her pretending to be this good girl bs. I fell into that frame by her, herself saying she was a good girl. I gotta shake that label.
Not sure where to continue on from this chode-faggotry unfortunately, no clue what to say so I just shot some mass texts at some other chicks I met this week and am gaming them until something pops into my head haha...
If you guys got anything let me know, this is the worst part of my game and where I consistently fuck up the most..
Do undercover cops prefer to eat their donuts in private... seriously tho
or tomorrow or someother point shoot one of these
me: I'm so over this whole 'traffic' thing. Soon they'll be building freeways for me
or
me: I'm so over this whole 'showering' thing. Soon they'll be bottling up cologne from me
Haha I'm tempted to do the undercover cops one just because it's actually pretty funny.. self-amusing to the fullest.
I will probably hold off though and maybe shoot her a text tmr with one of the other ones you suggested. Maybe just ignore the whole question thing in general. I doubt she's waiting on a question anyways, plus I figure it's too late to shoot her a text now. She's usually asleep by 11:30
A question I do have in specific is, the frame to have in mind when talking, is it important that you maintain one frame throughout the whole conversation, or can I switch frames at will? Since I would theoretically be leading the conversation?
Dealing with short answers I find are also really annoying, I don't usually know what to do in those situations. Just ignore or change threads into something else?
i feel like with so much back and forth youre increasing your chance of shooting yourself in the foot. you cant be funny every text and it looks weird if you are. its so try hard. text is a tuff medium where how laid back you are or, might be, does not always come thru. i would feel into your intention and act it out in text within the banter. try to get the girl out on a date or on a meetup. and if she says no, show no negative emotion only positive. and send her something light to her in a day or two or a week (depends on your situation) and try to get her out.
why text her at all if theres no goal of making a meet up happen or hinting at one in the future?
pretty damn witty texts though. but again none of us are woody allen, it just creates this weird try hard thing if theres so much banter with no direction. thats for her girlfriends.
Right, I find it's way too much texting for my liking also. I have gone for a meet up but that's when she brought up the other fellow. So I'm gonna build a bit of comfort text. Then go for it again, I would have otherwise already. I feel her buying temp increasing compared to what it used to be though just by how she's talking lately. Other than that, initially I'm going for a meet up or even running into her at a social event cause we have a lot of mutual friends.
You realize that asking her if she think she is a good girl is not helping your cause. You have two optiosn
Options 1 - Make the good girl thing lame as fuck
"yeah you're a super good girl. Your parents must be soooo proud! I bet they have all of your debate club trophies all over the house"
Option 2 - Connect to her more deeply as a women instead of this illusion of how she must act
"yeah this good girl thing ain't foolin me. But it's cute, I'll go with it! Just don't stare at my ass to hard or you're going to blow your cover"
^^BAM LOL. As guys we try so hard to logic a girl to death... IE impress her with how witty and cool we are. For example, when I said "Obi Rob Kenobi" (Rob is my real name) I was totally joking, but at the same time... SUPER SERIAL (Al Gore voice). lol.
So what you're doing is trying to follow our advice by logic-ing her into that role. It has to be subcommunitcated emotionally.
I'm trying to think of a good text for you to send to get you out of this mess you put yourself in. Hold up.
Yeah I know what you mean, lately I been trying to find articles to read based on why men and women are so different in terms of logic and emotion. I could only imagine how much easier it would be if women were logical hahaha. I can shoot the shit with my guy friends easily by being witty and funny and they always get it, I do notice how girls don't always pick up on it though.
I would love to just blow up the whole good girl garbage and make it super lame like PB was suggesting.
Sounds good man, take your time.
Nice, learned a lot from the responses in this thread.
Also OP watch the first 5 mins of this video will massively help with the way you're presenting yourself with girls. Particularly with what you're trying to reach:
Video was awesome, really brought out the importance of tonality and sub communications for me and the whole double standard issue. Thanks bro
I'll look into the book when I get the opportunity soon.
On a side note, I been trying this whole marriage frame setting and it's quite hilarious how well it works. I'll start another thread and post up the results it's with another girl that I met.
So far for this situation I've got nothing, still kicking myself about going full chode with it.
^^Brrr that's great. That's what I'm getting at exactly. And YES, Robert Cialdini is amazing. Here's a little snippet of a text convo with my "Texas Girl" fuckbuddy:
Her: What do you do again?
Me: Drive ppl crazy. Marie. Now
Her: Nice
Me: If you don't, I'll tell your parents all the dirty things I did to you lol
Her: They'll kick me out and take my car away
Me: Jeezis. You know I'm kidding
Me: I thought you knew me better
Her: I do :)
Her: Got cha! lol
Me: That gave me a limpy
Her: Limpy? What is that
Me: It's like spaghetti
Me: In my pants
Her: Omg
Her: Lol
That's sick! Some of my convos are like that with chicks I game. Some are more subtle but then this one nothing haha. Still haven't bothered reengaging. I figure if I do I got to come at it from a frame that puts me in power and is fun
Video was awesome, really brought out the importance of tonality and sub communications for me and the whole double standard issue. Thanks broI'll look into the book when I get the opportunity soon.
On a side note, I been trying this whole marriage frame setting and it's quite hilarious how well it works. I'll start another thread and post up the results it's with another girl that I met.
So far for this situation I've got nothing, still kicking myself about going full chode with it.
The husband-wife thing is a little tactic. And it's tons of fun, don't get me wrong, It's not what we're getting at tho.
I dunno AP, you've dug yourself a pretty deep hole. I'm having trouble thinking of something to get you out of it.... I would send her something totally random.
Me: Do you like
And wait. She's gonna be expecting the typical provider male question, "do you like me?" Send her this
Me: Bananas?
^^Brrr that's great. That's what I'm getting at exactly. And YES, Robert Cialdini is amazing. Here's a little snippet of a text convo with my "Texas Girl" fuckbuddy:Her: What do you do again?
Me: Drive ppl crazy. Marie. Now
Her: Nice
Me: If you don't, I'll tell your parents all the dirty things I did to you lol
Her: They'll kick me out and take my car away
Me: Jeezis. You know I'm kidding
Me: I thought you knew me better
Her: I do :)
Her: Got cha! lol
Me: That gave me a limpy
Her: Limpy? What is that
Me: It's like spaghetti
Me: In my pants
Her: Omg
Her: Lol
hahahahahaha
lol one thing I have with my text game is that my text game sucksballz if I am not really sure the girl likes me, but if I believe/know the girl likes me my texting gets super amazing. I am guessing you just aren't sure/aware that she likes you. So you can try just assuming that she wants your dick(tionary) and see how you text then.
Edit: LOL fuck I'm stealing that banana pic
Yeah it's becoming my favorite tactic hands down. I know what you guys are essentially saying I think from now on I need to go in with and actually believe "I'm enough" and "I'm the prize" frame. The "boss" so to speak. I'll shoot some random completely off topic thing to her or change into a completely different thread. She'll have no choice but to buy into it. I know I can prob turn it around she's not the smartest girl I've talked to and thats for sure LOL
and that banana stuff is awesome haha, I wanna use that at some point for sure or even now.
Also, I started a new thread with some of my better text game with that marriage frame. Weird how I can go from dominant to chode so fast, def some inner game things I need to work on.
Yeah I know what you mean, lately I been trying to find articles to read based on why men and women are so different in terms of logic and emotion. I could only imagine how much easier it would be if women were logical hahaha. I can shoot the shit with my guy friends easily by being witty and funny and they always get it, I do notice how girls don't always pick up on it though.I would love to just blow up the whole good girl garbage and make it super lame like PB was suggesting.
Sounds good man, take your time.
No dude. Women are hilarious. If bishes aren't pickin up on your humor your delivery sucks balls. In fact I'll bet you $100 your delivery sucks nutz. ;)
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
You think so? I wrote it word for word how I was told too, I figured it could have potentially been the line? I could always reengage in a few days. I went out last night and the girls were loving my face to face jokes and what not. Had no clue as to why none of my texts didn't get any replies. Some chicks were working so I get that but how would I improve delivery?